Should Hillary Hang It Up?

[mheisig]

Bitter political arguments aside, I think you've got to admit that this election has the potential to be one of the most interesting in recent memory.

We're coming off one of the most hated presidents in a long time (if ever) and with an incredibly polarized country that seems split right down the middle.

Regardless of who wins the Democratic nomination, I'm so curious to see how the race shapes up. Bush is loathed by the majority, but loathed enough that lifetime Republicans would vote for Obama or Clinton? How does a large scale war and a faltering economy fit in with all the political vitriol? What's the fallout of 8 years of Bush on both parties? Like someone else here said, to hear the media you'd think ANY Democrat would walk away with the election in hand, but that doesn't seem to be what early polls are indicating.

Fascinating to say the least.

[JoeRedskin]

I don't think McCain will play the race card, I hope his followers don't either but I am less certain of that.

Regardless of the outcome, I would be most pleased if Obama's skin color didn't become a factor into the election. Let people hold what opinions they may - to some degree that simply isn't going to change (Not saying it's right, just that it is). If race becomes an ugly factor in the election, it will set this country wayyy back.

[onlydarksets]

It's the first presidential race since 1948 where there wasn't an incumbent of some sort running. That alone has made it more interesting.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

It's the first presidential race since 1948 where there wasn't an incumbent of some sort running. That alone has made it more interesting.

Truman was the sitting President in 1948. In 1952 with Eisenhower vs. Stevenson, neither was an incumbent. Also 1928, Hoover vs. Al Smith. Hoover was Secretary of Commerce and Smith was the Catholic Governor of New York. 1908 Taft vs. W.J. Bryan. Taft had been Secretary of War and Bryan was the oft-defeated populist Democrat. 1896 McKinley vs. Bryan. McKInley was Governor of Ohio, I believe. Also there could be an interesting discussion about wether or not Grover Cleveland should be considered an incumbent in 1892. He was the non-consecutive President. I guess he should NOT be considered an incumbent as the stink of office had surely faded somewhat. Perhaps someone else can pick up the trail from here. Some of you could stand doing a little research.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Truman was the sitting President in 1948. In 1952 with Eisenhower vs. Stevenson, neither was an incumbent. Also 1928, Hoover vs. Al Smith. Hoover was Secretary of Commerce and Smith was the Catholic Governor of New York. 1908 Taft vs. W.J. Bryan. Taft had been Secretary of War and Bryan was the oft-defeated populist Democrat. 1896 McKinley vs. Bryan. McKInley was Governor of Ohio, I believe. Also there could be an interesting discussion about wether or not Grover Cleveland should be considered an incumbent in 1892. He was the non-consecutive President. I guess he should NOT be considered an incumbent as the stink of office had surely faded somewhat. Perhaps someone else can pick up the trail from here. Some of you could stand doing a little research.

In his defense, he did say since 1948. So, he should have said since 1952.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Truman was the sitting President in 1948. In 1952 with Eisenhower vs. Stevenson, neither was an incumbent. Also 1928, Hoover vs. Al Smith. Hoover was Secretary of Commerce and Smith was the Catholic Governor of New York. 1908 Taft vs. W.J. Bryan. Taft had been Secretary of War and Bryan was the oft-defeated populist Democrat. 1896 McKinley vs. Bryan. McKInley was Governor of Ohio, I believe. Also there could be an interesting discussion about wether or not Grover Cleveland should be considered an incumbent in 1892. He was the non-consecutive President. I guess he should NOT be considered an incumbent as the stink of office had surely faded somewhat. Perhaps someone else can pick up the trail from here. Some of you could stand doing a little research.

All you had to say was the part I bolded. The rest of the information is a nice little tidbit. But then the last line is out of place because it seems like it was an attack on the knowledge of the poster you quoted. Yet he never said anything about pre-1948.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

All you had to say was the part I bolded. The rest of the information is a nice little tidbit. But then the last line is out of place because it seems like it was an attack on the knowledge of the poster you quoted. Yet he never said anything about pre-1948.

I didn't intend it as an attack on the original poster. He was close and his general point is well taken. There has been an historical shift towards V.P.s as successor candidates. If you think that America has suffered for it, you can find hope in this years candidates. Research can be illuminating.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I didn't intend it as an attack on the original poster. He was close and his general point is well taken. There has been an historical shift towards V.P.s as successor candidates. If you think that America has suffered for it, you can find hope in this years candidates. Research can be illuminating.

I wonder when you might grace us with insight into your research and analysis of the republican electorate. You know, make up, education level, social status, NASCAR viewing habits, affinity for guns, sexual preference, etc.

[SmootSmack]

I'm really curious to see who the VP choices will be. And what, if any, roles Hillary and Bush will have at the Democratic and Republican conventions, respectively.

[saden1]

What's she's doing is just unbelievable. It's really sad and pathetic to see her and Bill reduced to this.

Also, it seems like they keep pushing the goalpost with their arguments. The magic number is no longer 2025, it 2209 now which includes Michigan and Florida now.

[djnemo65]

Let's not forget that Obama only needs to carry Kerry's states plus Ohio to win. For all the talk of Dean's 50 state strategy at the end of the day the dems will know where to campaign.

[dmek25]

70, do you rally believe that stuff? or are you just trying to liven things up? right now, there are republicans that would vote for H. R. Puffin-stuff, if he were their nominee. maybe once in a while you should try thinking outside the box. is this country really in better shape after 8 years of Bush? because i would be willing to bet you voted for him twice. whoever wins this general election has one helluva of a mess to clean up. do we really need someone who agrees with what has been going on in this country for the last 30 years, or someone who seems to want to try something new? that is pretty much how this election boils down

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by dmek25

70, do you rally believe that stuff? or are you just trying to liven things up? right now, there are republicans that would vote for H. R. Puffin-stuff, if he were their nominee. maybe once in a while you should try thinking outside the box. is this country really in better shape after 8 years of Bush? because i would be willing to bet you voted for him twice. whoever wins this general election has one helluva of a mess to clean up. do we really need someone who agrees with what has been going on in this country for the last 30 years, or someone who seems to want to try something new? that is pretty much how this election boils down

Dmek you're such a tax-hiking, government-expanding, latte-drinking, sushi-eating, volvo-driving, New York Times-reading, body-piercing, Hollywood-loving left-wing freak show. Hold on, I have to go watch Sean Hannity. (Hopefully the sarcasm here is evident, but you never know).

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dmek25

someone who agrees with what has been going on in this country for the last 30 years, or someone who seems to want to try something new?

Is this really a legitimate classification of everyone in the United States?

1) People who agree with the last 30 years

2) People who want to try something new.

Can't we be somewhere in between (like, say, McCain)? What is the world coming to?

[saden1]

Republicans got murdered in 3 recent special elections in heavily republican districts the GOP held for decades. The GOP is going to get clobbered come November and anyone that doesn't think so is delusional. The jig is up!