Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement

SBXVII · 05-20-2008, 06:36 PM

WooooHooooo. Ooops did I write that out loud? Sorry. I remember how the teams worked prior to the agreement. I can say that, that's the only time I have been able to identify a "Corps Redskin" as the old ball coach used to say. Players didn't have to jump ship for better pay because the team they were on was to close to the CAP and couldn't give him what he wanted. I always viewed those players as traitors up and until recently when I realized it's not about whether they want to be a Redskin, It was about how much the Redskins were willing to pay the player.

I guess I trying to say I hope it is better then the system they have now. Allow teams to keep the players they need to keep.

I vote to drop the CAP. Start an incentive based pay system. Put a limit on what Rookies can earn and give them only 2-3yr contracts to show case their talent in the NFL then allow them to get the million dollar contracts.

SBXVII · 05-20-2008, 07:15 PM

Now you have to go and screw up my League. LOL. Ok how about if someone gets hurt they only get the base salary. Which could be more then the $400,000. they have now. Hell I'm considered over the hill but I would take the $400,000 in a heart beat. Maybe if they didn't go and purchase million dollar homes and $100,000 dollar cars. I'm sure they could find a way to live off their measly $400,000.

mooby · 05-20-2008, 07:53 PM

I think we'll be able to get a deal done in time before the lockout. The owners and the players will recognize the urgency of the situation before they are at the 11th hour and no deal is done. If no deal gets done and it does go to the 11th hour I do believe the owners will force the players to accept their hand, because in the end the players don't want to lose paychecks over this.

onlydarksets · 05-20-2008, 08:11 PM

It's ludicrous that Vick got to keep his bonus while he's sitting in jail. It will be interesting to see what they come up with.

That Guy · 05-21-2008, 06:12 AM

no big deal. still a lot for time to work out a new deal, and in the end, no one wants to stop the gravy train, they just want to see how far they can push each other.

T.O.Killa · 05-21-2008, 01:17 PM

I sure hope that the NFL nevers, becomes like baseball

SBXVII · 05-21-2008, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I sure hope that the NFL nevers, becomes like baseball

Ok, why is baseball worse then the NFL? I kinda like the idea of the team still being able to sign all their players and even if they over the cap they only pay a fine. Instead of having a draft pick taken away.

SBXVII · 05-23-2008, 04:54 PM

So the major problem is the owners most likely have their money tied into the team. No different then a home owner and his house. Then the owner has to pay taxes on the business and possibly property, ie: practice facilities. Insurance for the property and probably any injuries to players on his property. On top of paying all the salaries of non players who help run the team and provide benifits for them. Then you have to look at how much he's paying the players and then see what his actaul take in is.

This is actually what the players want to see...what % do the owners actually recieve after all their bills have been paid or is it tied up into property. If it's tied up then it sucks to be a player for that team. However if the owner is reaping what he has sowed then the players want to dip into his pocket more for a bigger piece of the pie.

It would be interesting to see an owner that allows players to purchase stock in the team and have an investment in the team for later yrs. The only thing that would kill the owner though would be if the players all wanted to sell their shares at once. With a good team an owner may be able to sell it to the public or another rich invester.

Monksdown · 05-23-2008, 05:00 PM

I like the homeownership analogy. And likewise, they can leverage the value of the franchise to diversify their portfolio, ie: six flags, red zebra. A homeowner could have refinanced and purchased a few rental townhouses.

Dan's been talking venture capitalists out of dough since he was 22. And on a hell of a lot less leverage then he's got to play with now.

Im sure there comes a point in your life, when you have the money to stop having to make mistakes to reach success. You can afford the best money minds available.

(Sorry for the inconsistent rambling, coffee in the afternoon makes me crazy)

05-20-2008, 06:36 PM	#1
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement WooooHooooo. Ooops did I write that out loud? Sorry. I remember how the teams worked prior to the agreement. I can say that, that's the only time I have been able to identify a "Corps Redskin" as the old ball coach used to say. Players didn't have to jump ship for better pay because the team they were on was to close to the CAP and couldn't give him what he wanted. I always viewed those players as traitors up and until recently when I realized it's not about whether they want to be a Redskin, It was about how much the Redskins were willing to pay the player. I guess I trying to say I hope it is better then the system they have now. Allow teams to keep the players they need to keep. I vote to drop the CAP. Start an incentive based pay system. Put a limit on what Rookies can earn and give them only 2-3yr contracts to show case their talent in the NFL then allow them to get the million dollar contracts.

05-20-2008, 07:15 PM	#2
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement Now you have to go and screw up my League. LOL. Ok how about if someone gets hurt they only get the base salary. Which could be more then the $400,000. they have now. Hell I'm considered over the hill but I would take the $400,000 in a heart beat. Maybe if they didn't go and purchase million dollar homes and $100,000 dollar cars. I'm sure they could find a way to live off their measly $400,000.

05-20-2008, 07:53 PM	#3
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,596	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement I think we'll be able to get a deal done in time before the lockout. The owners and the players will recognize the urgency of the situation before they are at the 11th hour and no deal is done. If no deal gets done and it does go to the 11th hour I do believe the owners will force the players to accept their hand, because in the end the players don't want to lose paychecks over this. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

05-20-2008, 08:11 PM	#4
onlydarksets Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: all up in your business Posts: 2,693	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement It's ludicrous that Vick got to keep his bonus while he's sitting in jail. It will be interesting to see what they come up with. __________________ Stop reading my signature.

05-21-2008, 06:12 AM	#5
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement no big deal. still a lot for time to work out a new deal, and in the end, no one wants to stop the gravy train, they just want to see how far they can push each other.

05-21-2008, 01:17 PM	#6
T.O.Killa The Starter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Berlin, MD Posts: 2,061	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement I sure hope that the NFL nevers, becomes like baseball

05-23-2008, 04:54 PM	#8
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement So the major problem is the owners most likely have their money tied into the team. No different then a home owner and his house. Then the owner has to pay taxes on the business and possibly property, ie: practice facilities. Insurance for the property and probably any injuries to players on his property. On top of paying all the salaries of non players who help run the team and provide benifits for them. Then you have to look at how much he's paying the players and then see what his actaul take in is. This is actually what the players want to see...what % do the owners actually recieve after all their bills have been paid or is it tied up into property. If it's tied up then it sucks to be a player for that team. However if the owner is reaping what he has sowed then the players want to dip into his pocket more for a bigger piece of the pie. It would be interesting to see an owner that allows players to purchase stock in the team and have an investment in the team for later yrs. The only thing that would kill the owner though would be if the players all wanted to sell their shares at once. With a good team an owner may be able to sell it to the public or another rich invester.

05-23-2008, 05:00 PM	#9
Monksdown The Starter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrenton, Virginia Age: 45 Posts: 1,515	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement I like the homeownership analogy. And likewise, they can leverage the value of the franchise to diversify their portfolio, ie: six flags, red zebra. A homeowner could have refinanced and purchased a few rental townhouses. Dan's been talking venture capitalists out of dough since he was 22. And on a hell of a lot less leverage then he's got to play with now. Im sure there comes a point in your life, when you have the money to stop having to make mistakes to reach success. You can afford the best money minds available. (Sorry for the inconsistent rambling, coffee in the afternoon makes me crazy)

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