Who Will Start, Heyer or Jansen?

[Daseal]

I think Jansen has lost a lot with the injuries. I think Heyer has a good chance to beat him out. The best thing about fresh coaching staffs is they have nearly no attachment to most of the players -- that means production talks.

Even if Jansen does get the start, I give him 4 games till he's done again. I just dont know if he can hold up anymore. He was great for years, but we're going to start moving on.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think Jansen has lost a lot with the injuries. I think Heyer has a good chance to beat him out. The best thing about fresh coaching staffs is they have nearly no attachment to most of the players -- that means production talks.

Even if Jansen does get the start, I give him 4 games till he's done again. I just dont know if he can hold up anymore. He was great for years, but we're going to start moving on.

But don't you think Buges will still have a major say on which OLine start?

I think Jansen will be great again this year. I don't think he's been the same since his good friend and former roommate Ramsey was benched but I think he wants to prove that he's not an injury prone aging lineman.

[bedlamVR]

There is no garuntee any player anywhere will not go down with the same injury Jansen did . That kind of injury does not make you injury prone just unlucky .

People tend to forget that for 2 years Jansen has had his normal duties co-oppted to a drgree . He is knownas a powerful run blocker and for the past two years he has been the blind side protector for the left handed Brunell which requires slightly different style of playing, ligher more athletic ..

[tryfuhl]

Jansen, don't be silly.

[The Goat]

Well... maybe a healthy lifestyle/diet is too much to ask of a professional athlete.

Seriously though, S. Springs was the most injury prone guy on either side of the ball until he focused on diet/training/lifestyle and look what it did for him last year. I would expect other guys to notice and try harder, but I don't think Jansen is that kind of player. It's absurd to think or say that o-lineman don't take care of themselves and have to be slow. Seriously? Anybody here think Samuels eats like crap and is slow? What we're talking about here is complacency by Jansen, and RT evidently, although he still shows a lot of quickness out there. For pete's sake, when your aging, seeing your own skill diminish, and spending time on the sidelines wouldn't you want to help yourself out as much as possible?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Well... maybe a healthy lifestyle/diet is too much to ask of a professional athlete.

Seriously though, S. Springs was the most injury prone guy on either side of the ball until he focused on diet/training/lifestyle and look what it did for him last year. I would expect other guys to notice and try harder, but I don't think Jansen is that kind of player. It's absurd to think or say that o-lineman don't take care of themselves and have to be slow. Seriously? Anybody here think Samuels eats like crap and is slow? What we're talking about here is complacency by Jansen, and RT evidently, although he still shows a lot of quickness out there. For pete's sake, when your aging, seeing your own skill diminish, and spending time on the sidelines wouldn't you want to help yourself out as much as possible?

I think you're blowing this sky high.

Do you really think Jansen and Thomas aren't in good physical condition and aren't dedicated to their careers??

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think you're blowing this sky high.

Do you really think Jansen and Thomas aren't in good physical condition and aren't dedicated to their careers??

You might be right. It took me by surprise when Jansen talked about his poor habits/diet in a national interview 2 years (?) ago. Telling a reporter that your sweat is really just grease doesn't necessarily inspire... so yeah I would say his personal choices are probably a contributor to his decline. I don't really know much about RT except we're a significantly better offense when he's on the field.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

You might be right. It took me by surprise when Jansen talked about his poor habits/diet in a national interview 2 years (?) ago. Telling a reporter that your sweat is really just grease doesn't necessarily inspire... so yeah I would say his personal choices are probably a contributor to his decline. I don't really know much about RT except we're a significantly better offense when he's on the field.

Not sure how diet is directly correlated with snapping an ankle and blowing out an achilles tendon. Up until those freak injuries the guy was literally a rock in the starting lineup.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Not sure how diet is directly correlated with snapping an ankle and blowing out an achilles tendon.

Again it's his lack of quickness that i've noticed and i suppose contributes to his likelihood of injury. Slower guys are more likely to get rolled up on, trampled, whatever. When you're slower than the guys around you it's harder to control your own destiny (so to speak) during play. Maybe he would have been injured in those situations no matter what.

[The Goat]

I think Daseal had a good point about new coaches not feeling partial toward players. Maybe that alone could motivate Jansen, or maybe he's gonna come out extra motivated no matter what. That's the scenario i'm hoping for.

[The Goat]

Did I go from green dot to red dot for having a different perspective? What does red dot mean?

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Did I go from green dot to red dot for having a different perspective? What does red dot mean?

Nothing personal, just an explanation. It most likely means that your voice sounds really muffled because you are talking out of your ass.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Nothing personal, just an explanation. It most likely means that your voice sounds really muffled because you are talking out of your ass.

How clever...

[MrJL]

I can't believe so many people dislike Heyer after last year.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by MrJL

I can't believe so many people dislike Heyer after last year.

I don't know if he's really disliked. I think he's a good story personally but am not convinced he can be a dominant RT. Hopefully I'm wrong.

I hope i'm wrong about Jansen and Heyer.