Shouldn't Sean Taylor.............

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

WRONG. He was great, and he would have continued to break records, but he was killed and couldn't prove it to people like you.

What records did he break?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Thanks for proving my point,the list is about tackeling ............not covering.ST was a good player with tons of potential ...just not great.You don't got into the HOF for potential.

Dude S.T. had fully grown into his potential during the '07 season. Everybody could see it, he didn't get beat once, he had 5 picks in 7 games, and he was playing like everyone envisioned he would when we first drafted him. If he had played like that the entire year I have no doubts he would've been recognized as one of the best safeties in the NFL, similar to the way Ed Reed was in '04. Unfortunately that didn't and won't happen, so the point is basically moot.

[Giantone]

Look first off,no one can find anything I've said that's negative about ST!He was good,very good but to anoint him as a saint and all super HOF I think is wrong.Second and I mean this, all I'm talking about is football...nothing else.We will never know simple as that,we can wish ,hope or dream but he could have blown out a knee and never played again...................nobody knows that's all I'm saying .

[GINeric]

Originally Posted by mooby

Dude S.T. had fully grown into his potential during the '07 season. Everybody could see it, he didn't get beat once, he had 5 picks in 7 games, and he was playing like everyone envisioned he would when we first drafted him. If he had played like that the entire year I have no doubts he would've been recognized as one of the best safeties in the NFL, similar to the way Ed Reed was in '04. Unfortunately that didn't and won't happen, so the point is basically moot.

He would have been the best safety EVER to have played the game. And I have no problem saying that, because I recognize GREATNESS!!

[GINeric]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Thanks for proving my point,the list is about tackeling ............not covering.ST was a good player with tons of potential ...just not great.You don't got into the HOF for potential.

Slim, stop being a homer a give respect where it is due. He was the hardest hitting...............you ready for this.............................
DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN THE GAME!!! PERIOD!!!

BE IT TACKLING OR HITTING, whatever you want to call it. When he struck your a$$, it was hard as hell. He changed the game in just 3 in a half years.

I love T.O. because of his talent and because he plays for the Cowboys, but I have never in his whole career, seen him play as cautious as he did when he played against the Skins.

I know you had a great on your team named L. Taylor, much respect. But this dude was your best player's size and probably faster than any WR in your teams history.

I am not a genius when it comes to physics, but when you have a guy that weighs 235 to 240 that runs a 4.3, 4,4 WITH RECKLESS ABANDONMENT, that to me spells one of the hardest hits.

I bet you Plaxico would consider him one of the most feared tacklers in NFL history. Try thinking outside the box. I know a lot about football Homey, and I know that there has never been NOBODY like him at that position.

Tell me this. How many safeties have you ever seen cover the WHOLE defensive backfield BY HIMSELF?

You don't believe me, just look at one of those crazy setups that GW designed for the Skins when ST was back there alone.

Go ahead, it's on film.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GINeric

I love T.O. because of his talent and because he plays for the Cowboys, but I have never in his whole career, seen him play as cautious as he did when he played against the Skins.

As you might expect, I agree. T.O. never played all that well against the Redskins when Taylor was in the game, and lit us up when Taylor was absent. I remember one play where T.O. went up for a jump ball, had it in his hands, looked and saw Taylor coming, and curled up into the fetal position to brace for contact.

Originally Posted by GINeric

I bet you Plaxico would consider him one of the most feared tacklers in NFL history.

Plaxico said Taylor was the biggest, most feared hitter in the league. I think an SI players poll revealed the same thing.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by Giantone

No ,the list is long and can be held to different opinions.

Harry Carson,Mike Singeltary ,Mike Curtis ar just a couple that I think are better than John Lynch and a few others.That in no way diminishs how good ST was ,but he was young and just did not play long enough,he has not earned the accolades some fans want to give him.

Don't make me laugh Giantone. John Lynch was not anywhere near Sean Taylor in terms of destroying people. Lynch could lay a great lick on somebody that's for sure, but you are fooling yourself if you think they were even in the same class of pure hitting ferocity because it's not even close. While we are at it none of the people on your list compares to Taylor in this regard. It's not about a long body of work at all. It took just one or two seasons for Sean Taylor to become the badest man in the entire NFL with regards to hard hits. He basically was in a class by himself.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Don't make me laugh Giantone. John Lynch was not anywhere near Sean Taylor in terms of destroying people. Lynch could lay a great lick on somebody that's for sure, but you are fooling yourself if you think they were even in the same class of pure hitting ferocity because it's not even close. While we are at it none of the people on your list compares to Taylor in this regard. It's not about a long body of work at all. It took just one or two seasons for Sean Taylor to become the badest man in the entire NFL with regards to hard hits. He basically was in a class by himself.

............we agree,to disagree.

[Giantone]

Chuck Benardik,LT,Sam Huff............in their day were all the best at one time.

[rypper11]

There was also a dozen guys on the show who "just missed" and at the least Sean should've been on there. I like NFLN's top ten shows because they focus on just one aspect of the game. As for feared tacklers, he had to play at a time when most of Lambert, Butkus and Night Train's hits would gotten him ejected.
When Ray Lewis was bragging about lighting up Marshall Faulk in the ProBowl I wanted to at least see the greatest hit in ProBowl history.... #21 obliterating Moorman.

[vallin21]

I agree there should've been some tribute or a mention of Sean. That would have been nice to see.

[GINeric]

Originally Posted by vallin21

I agree there should've been some tribute or a mention of Sean. That would have been nice to see.

Yeah, because it's probably going to be 10 to 20 years before we see a athlete like this come along again.

[firstdown]

Its very simple. There have been some very hard hitters who played with no reguard for themself and ST was one of those players. What would have he become its hard to say because there are so many factors that play apart in football.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Its very simple. There have been some very hard hitters who played with no reguard for themself and ST was one of those players. What would have he become its hard to say because there are so many factors that play apart in football.

I agree,there have been some great hitters during the 75 some odd years of the NFL,Riggins said the hardest he ever got hit was by Harry Carson.Players have said the hardest hitter during one point was Earl Campbell.

[SkinzzFan]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I agree,there have been some great hitters during the 75 some odd years of the NFL,Riggins said the hardest he ever got hit was by Harry Carson.Players have said the hardest hitter during one point was Earl Campbell.

I understand Earl Campbell did "hit" guys during his career, but isn't this based on defensive "hitters"? I mean we could add (at least in the modern era) Christian Okoye, Mike Alstott, Mike Sellers, Lorenzo Neal, Brandon Jacobs, etc to the list of running backs you just don't want to see coming your way. I'm sure I've left off many great RB/FBs, but the original list obviously had some ommissions, thus the conversation. I've never been hit by any of these guys and I'm sure there are 15-20 players being left off this list. As I recall, Steve Atwater played with another big hitter in Dennis Smith. He was definitely no slouch. Bottom line is there is just no way for two guys to come up with the same list of players when comparing different era's (and positions) for ANY category in ANY sport.

HAIL!!