play calling a huge concern.

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by doughtydoubter

The question is...does zorns offense give jason a chance to succeed? If jason doesnt have time, or open receievers or the right plays called...there is little hope of him looking comfortable. I could be wayyy off base, maybe zorn is a genius in the making who knows? But right now that ws some of the worst play calling, and game management i have EVER seen...including the dark "spurrier" days

I do think this offense gives JC a chance to succeed.
I don't think the playcalling was that bad for a rookie coach.
Zorn couldn't help it if his QB and receivers couldn't to execute the plays.
The Oline didn't help much with the running game and was causing penalties.
His corners couldn't catch interceptions.

[irish]

The o line is old and slow, JC is too slow to decide and release the ball. Zorn's hands are tied when it comes to play calling because he doesnt have much to work with.

[doughtydoubter]

Ha...either we have to hire a brilliant offensive mind like jason garrett or pray that zorn stops coaching the qbs long enough to coach the entire team..

[doughtydoubter]

Rabach has not looked very good lately, and im surprised no one has really brought this to the light before..if our center is calling out the blocking and maing the adjustments and then getting blown off the line...we have a real issue. Especially with our patented "up the middle only" run game.
Is this a sign that buges' philosphy is growing obsolete? Or is this just flawed exectuin and technique?

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by doughtydoubter

Rabach has not looked very good lately, and im surprised no one has really brought this to the light before..if our center is calling out the blocking and maing the adjustments and then getting blown off the line...we have a real issue. Especially with our patented "up the middle only" run game.
Is this a sign that buges' philosphy is growing obsolete? Or is this just flawed exectuin and technique?

In fairness, GTripp has hated Rabach for some time now. As for the run game, I think part of it was the inability to block anyone last night, which limited both it's effectiveness and the team's options. I also think that the scheme has changed more than some people thought it would. Clearly Zorn and Sherman Smith have had a good deal of input (as they should really, considering they will take the heat if the offense does not work out), but I think some people misunderstood what Zorn meant when he said he'd leave the running game terminology intact. The terminology might be the same, but that was a straight zone blocking scheme run out of different formations. That was not a 2004-2006 run game. Zone blocking is all the rage in the NFL and can be quite effective, but it does take time to learn well. It also takes a lot of coordination among the O-Line and is different from what they've done the past couple of years. I'd say add the run game to the parts of the offense that are undergoing adjustment. That should make it pretty much the whole thing.

[doughtydoubter]

But zone blocking isnt a new thing for the dirtbags either. Zone blocking has been part of buges philosphy for awhile. Maybe out of different formations. Has it occured to anybody...that maybe the players just really arent that sold on zorn? that they just really dont want to put it all on the line the way they did for gibbs and williams?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by doughtydoubter

But zone blocking isnt a new thing for the dirtbags either. Zone blocking has been part of buges philosphy for awhile. Maybe out of different formations. Has it occured to anybody...that maybe the players just really arent that sold on zorn? that they just really dont want to put it all on the line the way they did for gibbs and williams?

I haven't gotten that at all from anything or anywhere. All reports are the team likes and respects him. It amazes me the level of fear, doubt and disillusion that comes from one loss! It shouldn't amaze me but it still does.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by doughtydoubter

But zone blocking isnt a new thing for the dirtbags either. Zone blocking has been part of buges philosphy for awhile. Maybe out of different formations. Has it occured to anybody...that maybe the players just really arent that sold on zorn? that they just really dont want to put it all on the line the way they did for gibbs and williams?

I have seen nothing to indicate there's any truth to that.

Let's stick with what we know and stop with the silly speculation. I'm not directing that towards you specifically, just in general to the entire board.

[doughtydoubter]

I do think this offense gives JC a chance to succeed.
I don't think the playcalling was that bad for a rookie coach.
Zorn couldn't help it if his QB and receivers couldn't to execute the plays.
The Oline didn't help much with the running game and was causing penalties.
His corners couldn't catch interceptions.

I do agree in theory this system gives jason a cahnce to be successful. He has the arm..he did it in college, and the corners have no excuses for the drops.
but...as far as the execution of the oline and playcalling goes...if you run the most basic, scripted things a defense as capable as the giants or many in the nfl will be able to make it look like you "cant execute"
run run pass, run pass, run.. short pass short of the first on third...(with the exception of the play tha cooley was wide open) i think such a basic philosphy is all too easy to defend. Im not offering any solutions, other than i think that the play calling was subpar from the getgo and adjustments were not made correctly on the offensive side. If the head coach cant step up and make those adjustments in game...tha tis his fault and not the players and eventually the players will give up and lose faith.

[SouperMeister]

The clock management at the end of both halves appears to be a continuing issue. Campbell has to know that getting tackled inbounds with less than a minute and all 3 timeouts is a NO-BRAINER timeout situation. We wasted 25 seconds, and were fortunate to get the TD before the half.

In the 4th quarter down two scores, I couldn't believe that we didn't go no huddle, and after running for a 1st down with under 3 minutes left, Zorn calls a running play on the next down??? You have to be kidding. Lastly, why not kick the FG with 30 seconds left and try for a miracle onside kick/hail Mary finish? I put poor clock management on Zorn, and that must improve.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

The clock management at the end of both halves appears to be a continuing issue. Campbell has to know that getting tackled inbounds with less than a minute and all 3 timeouts is a NO-BRAINER timeout situation. We wasted 25 seconds, and were fortunate to get the TD before the half.

In the 4th quarter down two scores, I couldn't believe that we didn't go no huddle, and after running for a 1st down with under 3 minutes left, Zorn calls a running play on the next down??? You have to be kidding. Lastly, why not kick the FG with 30 seconds left and try for a miracle onside kick/hail Mary finish? I put poor clock management on Zorn, and that must improve.

I'm curious as to how much was Campbell audibling plays. I know he audibled to a run a couple of times.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Playcalling was not bad, not great, but not bad either. There should've been a greater sense of urgency under 4 min., but how much have the Skins worked on their 2 min O when they're learning a whole new offense. Rushing things and making a game ending mistake isn't a smart thing to do either. I do agree that a FG, then onsides would've been a better stategy late.

Penalties have a huge effect on playcalling, 2-15 is a lot worse than 2-7. I think there should've been a bit more play-action to get Campbell on the edge, while not Vince Young-he is a big physical QB who has some mobility, getting him on the edge puts pressure on the D.

Before we jump all over Zorn for the Offensive playcalling, I think we should look over on the defensive side also. Our D is very easy to read, when Landry is 15+ yards off, we're in man over 90% of the time. When both safeties are back in mid-short yardage we're in man, if longer it's Cover 2 Zone. If we as fans can see this, you can bet the opposing O can too. That's why Plax had such a big night, Eli knew the coverage was man and our CBs were overmatched against him. We were fortunate the Gaints O make a couple of mistakes in the 2nd half. I'd really like to see more Zone blitzing and attempts to disguise our coverage. We have athletic D-lineman who can drop into coverage.

[53Fan]

I don't think the play calls were half as bad as the execution. It seems like no matter what play was called something went wrong, illegal procedure, missed blocks,whatever. You are not going to win no matter what play you call if you don't execute it. Both times Randal-el jumped, it was on a play called for Cooley. Instead we go back 5 yards. Why did he jump? It was'nt because of the play called. We have alot of work to do. It's not time to point fingers. It's time to settle down and get busy.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I don't think the play calls were half as bad as the execution. It seems like no matter what play was called something went wrong, illegal procedure, missed blocks,whatever. You are not going to win no matter what play you call if you don't execute it. Both times Randal-el jumped, it was on a play called for Cooley. Instead we go back 5 yards. Why did he jump? It was'nt because of the play called. We have alot of work to do. It's not time to point fingers. It's time to settle down and get busy.

I still can't get over the ARE false starts. It was ridiculous.

[budw38]

We do not have the talant to throw the ball 40 times per game . If we go with three wr sets and throw , JC will get beaten like Ramsey . If you want JC to succeed we need to run , get the Defense to put 8 in the box then take some shots .