Redskins-Giants: Offensive Review

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

Ok........ it's like this I hope I DON'T OFFEND ANYBODY WITH THIS POST

I think JC is unsure and holds the ball longer because he has a slave mentality before you go postal and everything let me explain.

Joe Gibbs played soft and didn't take many chances was a strong believer in the power run game didn't take the handcuffs off JC or the offense as a whole IMO. Now true enough JC has had plenty of coordinators no doubt and that played a vital part in his success. But he was still under Gibbs for three years the safe, conservative play mentality was still there even though the coordinator changed. Now you have a totally different coach, different mentality, more of a killer instinct then Gibbs in Zorn. Taking the cuffs off JC and do away with the conservative play. Zorn wants JC to trust his arm and his receivers well those three years under Gibbs plays a big factor. You can't expect JC within 6 or 7 months to get out of that mindset it takes time and Zorn know that. If you notice he didn't turnover the ball over and he is unsure about things. I rather have a conservative don't want to make a mistake QB then a Rex Grossman reckless throw 3 ints two for tds in one game QB. Time will tell but we have to be patient.

It's definitely a valid point that along with a change in offense comes a change in philosophy. It's not an easy thing to adjust to as we're seeing.

It's not as simple as the plays and verbiage changing, it's the entire mindset of what Zorn wants him to do vs. what Gibbs/Saunders wanted him to do.

Good post.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

Ok........ it's like this I hope I DON'T OFFEND ANYBODY WITH THIS POST

I think JC is unsure and holds the ball longer because he has a slave mentality before you go postal and everything let me explain.

Joe Gibbs played soft and didn't take many chances was a strong believer in the power run game didn't take the handcuffs off JC or the offense as a whole IMO. Now true enough JC has had plenty of coordinators no doubt and that played a vital part in his success. But he was still under Gibbs for three years the safe, conservative play mentality was still there even though the coordinator changed. Now you have a totally different coach, different mentality, more of a killer instinct then Gibbs in Zorn. Taking the cuffs off JC and do away with the conservative play. Zorn wants JC to trust his arm and his receivers well those three years under Gibbs plays a big factor. You can't expect JC within 6 or 7 months to get out of that mindset it takes time and Zorn know that. If you notice he didn't turnover the ball over and he is unsure about things. I rather have a conservative don't want to make a mistake QB then a Rex Grossman reckless throw 3 ints two for tds in one game QB. Time will tell but we have to be patient.

A slave mentality??? Was this the best choice of words when describing an African American's mentality. Geez.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mredskins

A slave mentality??? Was this the best choice of words when describing an African American's mentality. Geez.

Not at all the best choice of words, an unfortunate beginning to an otherwise solid post.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by mredskins

A slave mentality??? Was this the best choice of words when describing an African American's mentality. Geez.

I'm an African Amercian I guess that's why it was so easy to use that analogy. But that is why I warned everybody in all caps and bold letter before reading but I still apologize to all that were still offended.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by mredskins

A slave mentality??? Was this the best choice of words when describing an African American's mentality. Geez.

I understood it as him being a slave to offensive systems (Saunders now Zorn) and not being able to think for himself.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

I understood it as him being a slave to offensive systems (Saunders now Zorn) and not being able to think for himself.

No, JC not trusting the Zorn's risk that Zorn's system requires yet but still stuck in Gibbs conservative play. The not being able to think for himself is just more negativity from you.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

No, JC not trusting the Zorn's risk that Zorn's system requires yet but still stuck in Gibbs conservative play. The not being able to think for himself is just more negativity from you.

No worries just been living in the DC- B-more area long enough to know using "slave" any context will raise some eye brows around here.

I understand where you coming from now.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

No, JC not trusting the Zorn's risk that Zorn's system requires yet but still stuck in Gibbs conservative play. The not being able to think for himself is just more negativity from you.

….thanks for using my post as just another excuse to attack my opinion. I was trying to stand up for you and say you weren't using those words in a negative way against AAs. I'm quite sick of the lack of respect around here...

[jsnyder03]

Great post...well thought out / analyzed and helps put some of the offensive woes in perspective.

A couple of thoughts (coming from a critical perspective because I believe we should focus on fixing the broken parts) I had in watching the game:

1) Cooley looked horrible in run blocking. Either he should be removed from that role or the Giants DEs were cheating in their run pursuit and we should have run a reverse or bootleg. (I don't want to make JC into Michael Vick, but he is very athletic and, if given space, could safely be a playmaker).

2) JC looked like he has regressed. I trust Zorn will mold him into a consistent winner, but will need 1 - 2 years. My hope is he become a little more of a "gun-slinger". The sideline pass to Thrash will be completed more often than not...and when going for it on 4th down you cannot throw to your check-down unless he has a ton of room in front of him. He needs to take a few more chances (when the situation dictates).

3) Our secondary misses ST badly. We don't have enough size to compete with bigger receivers. I would like to see us bracket these guys so they can't just run beyond the sticks, turn around and get an uncontested first down.

In all, I think we can win with our D and need the O to execute with fewer mental lapses.

[SmootSmack]

I gotta side with hess on this one. I don't think she meant any harm in what she said, she just had a poor choice of words.

[724Skinsfan]

Fantastic job, GTripp! We got rid of our DVR and I forgot to record the game onto DVD. I think I speak for vast majority of us Warpathers (doesn't that kind of sound like "whoop-assers"?) that you're contributions are definitely among the tops. There's usually a definitive reason behind why plays fail or succeed instead of "that player sucks". You do a masterful job yourself in evaluating the game. Keep it up so I can learn a thing or twenty.

Bringing you back down to earth; you need to work on interjecting some humor into your analysis. And brush your teeth sometime this week.

[MTK]

It's just funny to hear people bagging on Rogers when Smoot was burned to a crisp against the Giants. Where's the Smoot outrage?

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It's just funny to hear people bagging on Rogers when Smoot was burned to a crisp against the Giants. Where's the Smoot outrage?

Smoot catches more balls. I think that's why you don't hear people bagging on him.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Smoot catches more balls. I think that's why you don't hear people bagging on him.

They had the same number of interceptions last year (and Rogers only played half the season). On Thursday, they both blew huge opportunities. Smoot's one interception was like a fair catch.

[MTK]

So 1 INT makes up for the abuse he took all night? Not for me. Maybe if he caught that other INT in the endzone I would give him a pass. He was probably the biggest liability on defense that night.