Obama's Chief of Staff Promoting Mandatory Defense Training

[EternalEnigma21]

Its a bad idea because its a waste of money. No one truly benefits. Its like the 2 and 3 year army terms. The biggest expense the army takes on with recruits is advertising/recruiting and training. This includes the mont. GI bill. Why spend that much $ on someone and have them leave before they can be of service to you.

I can't imagine dedicating resources to 3 months of training. What do you really gain? I guess that would be the new focus of recruiting. "Hey you've already done three months, why not stay...". Not to mention they would have their undivided attention for those 3 months.

But the first 18yr old that dies in an accident or from heat exhaustion that didn't want to be a part of it would result in a huge media circus and no doubt the aclu would have a new purpose (other than defending perverts)

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by EternalEnigma21

Its a bad idea because its a waste of money. No one truly benefits. Its like the 2 and 3 year army terms. The biggest expense the army takes on with recruits is advertising/recruiting and training. This includes the mont. GI bill. Why spend that much $ on someone and have them leave before they can be of service to you.

I can't imagine dedicating resources to 3 months of training. What do you really gain? I guess that would be the new focus of recruiting. "Hey you've already done three months, why not stay...". Not to mention they would have their undivided attention for those 3 months.

But the first 18yr old that dies in an accident or from heat exhaustion that didn't want to be a part of it would result in a huge media circus and no doubt the aclu would have a new purpose (other than defending perverts)

If it's mandatory you wouldn't be advertising or recruiting. The GI Bill requires a $1200 contribution on the individual's part and served for at least 3 years active duty (at least it did in 1995).

Also, a conscientous objector most probably would be able to fulfill his commitment doing some other form of civil service, as is the case in other countries.

I won't argue that obviously there will need to be funding for this program, though. Just maybe not as much as one might think. A lot of details need to be ironned out but who knows. I can see a sort of hybrid JobCorp-National Defense being presented.

[EternalEnigma21]

what I took from that video was the part about how if we didn't have abortions, we would not need illigal immigrants to work those jobs...

there are so many nuts on both sides of the fence a squirrel wouldn't know which side to jump off on.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by EternalEnigma21

what I took from that video was the part about how if we didn't have abortions, we would not need illigal immigrants to work those jobs...

there are so many nuts on both sides of the fence a squirrel wouldn't know which side to jump off on.

I did not realize that there were people in high places that are that dumb.
I gave Bush, Palin, Cheyne, and McCain more credit than that.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Angry

I did not realize that there were people in high places that are that dumb.
I gave Bush, Palin, Cheyne, and McCain more credit than that.

It's one thing to be a flaming-liberal-socialist-anti-corporation-tree-hugger, hell, even communist, it's another thing to be borderline retarded. Or perhaps they're playing the odds seeing how they actually get people to vote for them. The mind numbing insanity is unbelievable.

[That Guy]

it's really not that big a deal and maybe it'd cut down on the whining and super ultra PC crowd.

It'll never pass, but 3 months isn't like the 2 years most other country do.

[CRedskinsRule]

It's been almost 15 years now since I left Germany, so I can't really speak about todays troops, but I would point out, that again stats can be misleading. an overweight army chef or motorpool sergeant, or any other non combat position would be counted into that 40%. I would be willing to bet that the troops that train to fight are not overweight.
also, who cares if they are smokers... until the pc police attacked it mercilessly, most armies were full of smokers.

[firstdown]

Funny the posters here that are so dead set against Bush's tapping lines of people of interest because it violated their rights. Now think forcing people to serve is not such a bad idea.

[firstdown]

Having people serve that do not want to be there does more harm than good and thats what makes our Arm Forces so great and strong. With that said what would we do if someone refuses to serve? Throw them in jail?

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Having people serve that do not want to be there does more harm than good and thats what makes our Arm Forces so great and strong. With that said what would we do if someone refuses to serve? Throw them in jail?

Hmmmm...Enlist or go to jail? Now where have I heard that before? JK

I believe that is what mandatory conscription countries do... or they kill them.

I do not know why we are still talking about this, it is obvious that everyone has a different opinion. I call truce...I am not going to convince anyone that conscription is good, and no one can convince me that it is a bad thing. Agree to disagree.

The bleeding hearts in the United States would never allow it to happen anyway. You guys are safe to wander through life aimlessly, smoking your dope, barely getting by in college with no disciplne or direction. It's cool, because it is your right and there will always be people that will volunteer to serve and maintain those rights for you.

I concede...

[RedskinRat]

Angry, I'm with you on your general sentiment. Recent generations seems to be lazy and selfish. I don't know how you get back to a better sense of community and service.

Of course I'm a grumpy old bastard that keeps the kids ball when it comes over the fence.....

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Angry, I'm with you on your general sentiment. Recent generations seems to be lazy and selfish. I don't know how you get back to a better sense of community and service.

Of course I'm a grumpy old bastard that keeps the kids ball when it comes over the fence.....

I know 3 kids that have joined the service in the last 2 years and 2 of them served in Iraq. These kids come from middle income families and did not do it because they had to but because they wanted to. I myself did not serve so that makes me lazy, selfish, wandering through life aimlessly, and with no discipline or direction?

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I know 3 kids that have joined the service in the last 2 years and 2 of them served in Iraq. These kids come from middle income families and did not do it because they had to but because they wanted to. I myself did not serve so that makes me lazy, selfish, wandering through life aimlessly, and with no discipline or direction?

Dude............we're only talking about a couple of months dude! You need to relax! I mean, you should consider this as a part of patriotism. As part of a service to your country. As part of keeping your democracy AND YOUR freedoms preserved for future generations. What if our next President takes a vacation and decides to NOT read the security report because he's to busy chasing hedge hogs into holes? We don't want another 9/11/01, but you, no we, need to be ready if there is one.

And its only a couple of months dude! Relax!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Miller101

Dude............we're only talking about a couple of months dude! You need to relax! I mean, you should consider this as a part of patriotism. As part of a service to your country. As part of keeping your democracy AND YOUR freedoms preserved for future generations. What if our next President takes a vacation and decides to NOT read the security report because he's to busy chasing hedge hogs into holes? We don't want another 9/11/01, but you, no we, need to be ready if there is one.

And its only a couple of months dude! Relax!

How is training guys for three months going to stop another 9/11. Are we going to make these guys fly around on every jet taking off? We have more than enough guys serving this country (3 million) if we really needed we could pull them from all parts of the world.

[MTK]

Ok I'll ask again, wasn't this this taken from an interview with Emanuel in 2006? Is there any current info on this??