Our lack of a secondary receiver is killing us

[Jake2008]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Part of the reason for this touchdown discrepancy is that the Lions are MARKEDLY better than us in one phase of the game of football: special teams. Thanks to their defense totally sucking, they play their special teams units a lot, and that gets them in much better position to score touchdowns than our offense would be under the exact same circumstances.

So in saying what you are saying, you do have to acknowledge that when you isolate the other two sides of football from the game, our offense is significantly better than theirs. Obviously.

Still, the comparison of offensive firepower is a good one, and puts our woes into perspective...so long as we can keep it in context. We can run and pass way better than the Lions can. Thusly our offense is significantly better. However, if the point is that we need to score more touchdowns to make the playoffs, you'll have no argument from me.

But how many times has our defense came up with a turnover and we have had great field position only to go 3 and out and settle for a field goal attempt. Good offense teams capitalize on these chances and we settle for field goal attempts.

[skinsfan69]

I agree. ARE is not a #2. He's a #3.

[irish]

I couldnt agree more. If JC isnt throwing to Moss then there's nobody else. ARE doesnt do anything. I dont know if he cant get open or JC cant look off Moss to find him when he is open. All I know is that I think teams have discovered that the Skins cant beat them deep often enough to be a threat so they just let the skins play sink & dunk football that may or may not result in a FG.

After all this WR drafting and signing, it amazes me that the skins still only have 1 WR.

[johnerotten]

can't see blaming it on not having a number 2 reciever when the qb is running for his life and taking a beating every passing play!

[SBXVII]

ARE and Thrash are good as the #3 WR. Moss should be a shifty border line #1/#2 WR. We need the big wide out. but it does not matter who you put out their if the pass blocking does not give the QB time to get the ball where it needs to be.

Funny I was thinking about Thomas when I woke up today. He's good if he is in a route where he can watch the ball into his hands. He's good on screens, curls, and slants, but if he has a stop and go or just a go route he has trouble locating the ball in the air.

[mheisig]

People who expect a 2nd WR to solve all our problems are like the people who think an new president suddenly changes everything. One guy doesn't usually make that big of a difference.

It's damn near the entire offensive line, with the exception of Samuels. JC can't hit his 2nd WR if he's got guys in his face all night long.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mheisig

People who expect a 2nd WR to solve all our problems are like the people who think an new president suddenly changes everything. One guy doesn't usually make that big of a difference.

It's damn near the entire offensive line, with the exception of Samuels. JC can't hit his 2nd WR if he's got guys in his face all night long.

That's pretty much it. Blaming JC and the WRs is just looking at the symptoms of the bigger problem.

[johnerotten]

we may have the 4th best defense in the league,but on that final drive last night,it looked like the 32nd best.but when you only give up 14 points,the game should'nt have been this close.

[firstdown]

Did everyone forget that theis is a New Coach, New Sytem, and the team is still learning the system.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Many of us said in this forum last season that the Skins HAD to upgrade the WR corps. It didn't take much insight to realize that; all it took was watching the games.

That's why many of us were intrigued when the Skins drafted three receivers with their first three picks.

Then Kelly and Thomas showed up for minicamp/OTA/whatever and Zorn promptly tore them a new one because they were not in shape and he did not think they had taken conditioning and learning seriously enough. In training camp, injuries and other things slowed their development. Neither has contributed a pinch of pigeon poop this year. [Before anyone talks about how WRs need time to mature and develop, pls check out Eddie Royal (Broncos) and DeSean Jackson (Eagles)]

Davis - as discussed on another thread - might as well be auditioning for the part of "The Invisible Man". His contributions during practices and meetings may be huge; his contributions during games have been nil.

The Skins' WRs are the same three guys that everyone realized were not good enough last year. Same guys; same results. We should not be surprised about that.

[Jake2008]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Did everyone forget that theis is a New Coach, New Sytem, and the team is still learning the system.

This is becoming a lame excuse. One of the big reasons we are struggling is because our oline can't pass protect. Everything being 'new' doesn't affect this. We have ignored the oline for years and are paying for in now.

Our dline also needs to be addressed. We need a dominant pass rusher. Someone who commands help and still beats the double team. Our dline doesn't have that. Our blitzs suck because of this.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Jake2008

This is becoming a lame excuse. One of the big reasons we are struggling is because our oline can't pass protect. Everything being 'new' doesn't affect this. We have ignored the oline for years and are paying for in now.

Our dline also needs to be addressed. We need a dominant pass rusher. Someone who commands help and still beats the double team. Our dline doesn't have that. Our blitzs suck because of this.

It is the same O, and D line that dominated Dallas and Philly a few weeks ago........

[Jake2008]

Originally Posted by Hog1

It is the same O, and D line that dominated Dallas and Philly a few weeks ago........

We dominated Philly? This is the same Philly that blitzed the crap out of Campbell? Who lost Westbrook which is the same as us losing Portis. Dominating is winning by 20 points or more. We haven't dominated anyone.

[birdz4gibbs]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Did everyone forget that theis is a New Coach, New Sytem, and the team is still learning the system.

the problem is it,s yet another new coach,new system etc and everyones just tired of the yearly turnover this organization has to deal with now...


yes everything is still new so there,s hope afteral i,m still feelin a bit zorny ..

[over the mountain]

im not going to pretend to know what the solution to our problems are and dont blame JC but im curious as to if JC is allowed to audible off a play when he sees a blitz is coming?

just seemed like last night, the boys showed blitz a bunch and we never audibled or correctly audibled (except when JC audibled for a 22 yard QB keeper up the middle but that wasnt a blitz audible).

Is part of the problem not having enough blitz read audibles in our work in progress offense? i know they are slow in developing a 2 min offense, are they also slow in installing blitz audibles as well? but i do know that other nfl teams have to take notice that we cant handle the blitz and will continue to do so until we can show that we can pick up the blitz and make them pay for bringing the house.