Zorn has to take some blame

[hooskins]

I am sure Zorn is frustrated too, let's see if he gets his say in the draft. All the good teams in the league rely on good lines.

I am surprised our D is quite good with an average line. Imagine if we had some amazing pass rushers, it would be almost like Pitt's D.

[SouperMeister]

Gibbs ALWAYS accepted responsibility publicly, which is why the team ALWAYS had his back when they struggled and absolutely had to win down the stretch. It would be nice to see Zorn accept some responsibility for this inept offense.

One small example where Zorn MUST accept responsibility - Samuels left with an injury, and Geisinger replaces him at left tackle. Samuels struggled with Suggs one-on-one, yet Zorn gave ZERO help to Geisinger on the first pass play that he was in, which resulted in another Suggs sack. That is a NO BRAINER - Gibbs certainly would have had a TE on that side to help Geisinger. Zorn's belief in his system when an adjustment was warranted reminded me of Spurrier's arrogance in his system as his QB took a beating.

[skins28]

As I agree JZ needs to bare some of the blame I think that we need to really evaluate what we have at QB, I love JC but my love for him will not let me ignore the obvious. 1. Steve smith from carolina is 5-9 185 # , santana moss is 5-10 200# 2. Donovan Mcnabb only has westbrooke as a viable offensive threat , we have CP......common problem is JC, he is not a great QB he is just good he needs alot of good people around him to be successful.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skins28

As I agree JZ needs to bare some of the blame I think that we need to really evaluate what we have at QB, I love JC but my love for him will not let me ignore the obvious. 1. Steve smith from carolina is 5-9 185 # , santana moss is 5-10 200# 2. Donovan Mcnabb only has westbrooke as a viable offensive threat , we have CP......common problem is JC, he is not a great QB he is just good he needs alot of good people around him to be successful.

I disagree that Campbell is the problem. If you've watched any Ravens games during their run, THEY PROTECT JOE FLACCO. Jason is taking a pounding the second half of this season that reminds me of Ramsey's beating when he was QB under Spurrier. I hear a lot of bitching about Jason not hitting anything downfield. Well we tried on the first posession, and Campbell's arm got hit by Suggs, resulting in the first INT. When our O-line depth consists of undrafted FAs like Geisinger and Heyer, is it any wonder why we struggle? Drafting a #3 TE in the second round was a luxury we didn't need as demonstrated by the lack of quality depth on the O-line.

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by skins28

As I agree JZ needs to bare some of the blame I think that we need to really evaluate what we have at QB, I love JC but my love for him will not let me ignore the obvious. 1. Steve smith from carolina is 5-9 185 # , santana moss is 5-10 200# 2. Donovan Mcnabb only has westbrooke as a viable offensive threat , we have CP......common problem is JC, he is not a great QB he is just good he needs alot of good people around him to be successful.

JC will be successful when he gets time to make the throws he has to make.

I mean, you know you're in trouble when your head coach doesn't have any back up lineman on the bench! I mean, TWO!? THATS IT?! TWO LINEMAN? I've never heard of that crap before in my life! Not even Spurrier or Turner were that dumb!

Okay, so your stud left tackle goes down for the game so you get to have a back up center play left tackle now! OH SHIT! And he's blocking Terrell Suggs..........................Did you all see Campbell, once the ball was snapped, IMMEDIATELY start rolling out away from Terrell Suggs? He new he was hit before the play even started! He was just trying to buy a little more time, but to no avail...........Suggs is just to darn fast!

That play spelled, "Busted" in seventeen different languages! And that is not Campbell's fault!

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skins28

As I agree JZ needs to bare some of the blame I think that we need to really evaluate what we have at QB, I love JC but my love for him will not let me ignore the obvious. 1. Steve smith from carolina is 5-9 185 # , santana moss is 5-10 200# 2. Donovan Mcnabb only has westbrooke as a viable offensive threat , we have CP......common problem is JC, he is not a great QB he is just good he needs alot of good people around him to be successful.

Wow, that is a great example of false analogies:
Reasoning, critical thinking
What does vital stats of smith vs moss, or westbrooke-CP (not even sure how that comparison makes any sense) have to do specifically with JC? Using the same exact comparisons, couldn't you easily argue that it is the coach/OC's responsibility to use his best players in the best way?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by skins28

As I agree JZ needs to bare some of the blame I think that we need to really evaluate what we have at QB, I love JC but my love for him will not let me ignore the obvious. 1. Steve smith from carolina is 5-9 185 # , santana moss is 5-10 200# 2. Donovan Mcnabb only has westbrooke as a viable offensive threat , we have CP......common problem is JC, he is not a great QB he is just good he needs alot of good people around him to be successful.

I am not following your reasoning at all.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by skins28

As I agree JZ needs to bare some of the blame I think that we need to really evaluate what we have at QB, I love JC but my love for him will not let me ignore the obvious. 1. Steve smith from carolina is 5-9 185 # , santana moss is 5-10 200# 2. Donovan Mcnabb only has westbrooke as a viable offensive threat , we have CP......common problem is JC, he is not a great QB he is just good he needs alot of good people around him to be successful.

Don't forget about Andre the Giant who weighed over 500 pounds but ended up selling the title to Ted Dibiase in a shocking display of venality. Sure the Giant was good, but was he great? You make the call.

[hooskins]

I created a monster

[redsk1]

Zorn was embarrased last night.

Answer: 3 minutes to go in the 1st Half

Question: First Blitz check down thrown by JC and Co. It took us almost a half to adjust to the overloaded blitz. Horrible.

Zorn seems a little over his head now.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

From JLC's recent blog entry:

Beyond personnel, the decision to use Mike Sellers as the third-down pass protector over Portis, banged up or not, was stunning. Putting Justin Geigsinger at left tackle with no help from a tight end against Terrell Suggs was stupefying, even for one play. Not running more two tight-end sets with Geisinger and Stephon Heyer as your tackles was a major surprise. Not opting to go no-huddle in the third quarter, not rolling Jason Campbell out more, not going to the screen-pass game before the end of the first half was odd.

Monday Morning H-Back - Redskins Insider

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

From JLC's recent blog entry:

Beyond personnel, the decision to use Mike Sellers as the third-down pass protector over Portis, banged up or not, was stunning. Putting Justin Geigsinger at left tackle with no help from a tight end against Terrell Suggs was stupefying, even for one play. Not running more two tight-end sets with Geisinger and Stephon Heyer as your tackles was a major surprise. Not opting to go no-huddle in the third quarter, not rolling Jason Campbell out more, not going to the screen-pass game before the end of the first half was odd.

Monday Morning H-Back - Redskins Insider

I watched Geisinger go in and was wondering who would give him some help. I guess no one did. No RB or Cooley...no one. Unbelievable.

[redsk1]

I'm sure I'll catch some sh**, but JZ has got to be dangerously close to losing this team. Sorry for the cliche, but the offense looked like they'd rather be elsewhere last night. At least show some emotion or fight. I didn't see it.

It wasn't just me Madden kept eluding to it as well.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by redsk1

I'm sure I'll catch some sh**, but JZ has got to be dangerously close to losing this team. Sorry for the cliche, but the offense looked like they'd rather be elsewhere last night. At least show some emotion or fight. I didn't see it.

It wasn't just me Madden kept eluding to it as well.

Yes, it would have been nice to have seen some emotion. Every time they showed Campbell, Zorn or Randle-El it looked like they were more concerned about staying warm than cheering on the defense.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

Yes, it would have been nice to have seen some emotion. Every time they showed Campbell, Zorn or Randle-El it looked like they were more concerned about staying warm than cheering on the defense.

Sorry but when its that cold out its their job to keep warm so they are ready when they have to go back out onto the fied. Thats why they have heated benches and heaters on the side lines. Cold handed QB's and WR's does not make a very good combination.