Reading between the lines I say Zorn is gone.

[GMScud]

If Vinny wants a scapegoat for the teams poor performance, than he can look in the mirror. Our struggles are stemming from learning a complex new offense (any former WCO QB will tell you it takes a few seasons, not a few games, to become proficient), and big time personnel issues. The former Vinny and everyone else knew when Zorn was hired, the latter is directly Vinny's fault. Not to mention Zorn wasn't given much say on the coaches, aside from Smith and Mitchell.

Now, if Zorn is a poor motivator, can't relate to players, and has already lost the locker room... well that's a different story. Has this happened? I don't know, but I hope not.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

Classic front office speak = "We will evaluate everything at the end of the year, right now we will focus on the next opponent" Translation = our coach is gone.

Hmmm...I swore that meant "Vinny likes hairy asses", I will have to go back and review my Front Office Speak Dictonary for the correct translation.

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Hmmm...I swore that meant "Vinny likes hairy asses", I will have to go back and review my Front Office Speak Dictonary for the correct translation.

I'm just going off of what I have seen and heard in the past 10 years. Thats usually what the GM says before someone gets the axe.

Let me know what your dictionary says.

[skinsfan69]

I heard Vinny this am and it really didn't sound like a vote of confidence for Zorn. It sounded like Vinny was dancing around the subject. I just kind of think that the problem in the locker room is what's going to get him fired.... as well as his offense sucking beyond belief.

[maroonandblack30]

If Zorn goes, JC might as well go to. I feel bad for JC, what a "cursed" career. I think he could/would be good if ever got a chance to learn a system.

[SmootSmack]

I think before Zorn goes or Vinny, there has to be an overhaul of the coaching staff. Find out if Blache and Bugel are truly committed to another year on the team, move Jackson, Hixon, and Smith out of here the day after the last game. Start there.

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think before Zorn goes or Vinny, there has to be an overhaul of the coaching staff. Find out if Blache and Bugel are truly committed to another year on the team, move Jackson, Hixon, and Smith out of here the day after the last game. Start there.

Good call.... give Zorn a chance to build his own staff. I agree.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think before Zorn goes or Vinny, there has to be an overhaul of the coaching staff. Find out if Blache and Bugel are truly committed to another year on the team, move Jackson, Hixon, and Smith out of here the day after the last game. Start there.

I think Blache should go. He wanted to retire anyway, we convinced him to stick around. We need a coach who cares about sacks and turnovers. Those kind of momentum swings affect games way too heavily to not put a premium on them.

Jackson, Hixon, and Smith need to go immediately, I agree there. If Buges wants to stay, he's earned that right. It's not his fault our line is old and injured.

With Holmgren leaving the Seahawks, I don't know to what extent the rest of their staff will get "blown up," but I think brining in their receivers coach would be smart if possible.

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I think Blache should go. He wanted to retire anyway, we convinced him to stick around. We need a coach who cares about sacks and turnovers. Those kind of momentum swings affect games way too heavily to not put a premium on them.

Jackson, Hixon, and Smith need to go immediately, I agree there. If Buges wants to stay, he's earned that right. It's not his fault our line is old and injured.

With Holmgren leaving the Seahawks, I don't know to what extent the rest of their staff will get "blown up," but I think brining in their receivers coach would be smart if possible.

The fact that our 3 rookie recievers can't even get on the field has to at least make the FO LOOK at Hixon. Especially if you look at the production of other rookie recievers around the league.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

The fact that our 3 rookie recievers can't even get on the field has to at least make the FO LOOK at Hixon. Especially if you look at the production of other rookie recievers around the league.

No doubt. Hixon and Danny Smith need to go right away. Like yesterday.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think before Zorn goes or Vinny, there has to be an overhaul of the coaching staff. Find out if Blache and Bugel are truly committed to another year on the team, move Jackson, Hixon, and Smith out of here the day after the last game. Start there.

I agree on Hixon, Smith, Bugel and Blache.. I think Jackson is ok. I wouldn't mind seeing Jerry Gray or Kirk Olavodatti (sp) as the defensive coordinator.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I agree on Hixon, Smith, Bugel and Blache.. I think Jackson is ok. I wouldn't mind seeing Jerry Gray or Kirk Olavodatti (sp) as the defensive coordinator.

Well Olivadotti is definitely a guy they've been building up for the past several years. I don't know that he's ready yet for defensive coordinator, but I might make him defensive line coach or special teams coach.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well Olivadotti is definitely a guy they've been building up for the past several years. I don't know that he's ready yet for defensive coordinator, but I might make him defensive line coach or special teams coach.

Considering how poorly our linebackers have played (other than Fletcher), The last thing Olivadotti deserves is a promotion. We should bring in someone outside for the DC position, possibly Keith Butler (Steelers LB coach), or Mike Waufle (Giants DL coach). We need some fresh blood injected into the defense, not someone who will just continue with Blache's wussy-pants philosophy.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Considering how poorly our linebackers have played (other than Fletcher), The last thing Olivadotti deserves is a promotion. We should bring in someone outside for the DC position, possibly Keith Butler (Steelers LB coach), or Mike Waufle (Giants DL coach). We need some fresh blood injected into the defense, not someone who will just continue with Blache's wussy-pants philosophy.

How many different names are you going to have on this site. Only one is allowed, just so you know. You can PM me or Matty with any questions

As for Olivadotti, I'm not going to hold him entirely responsible for the fact that neither McIntosh nor Washington appears to have been healthy for 75% of the season. I like what he has done with a couple of the "scrubs" in Fincher and Sinclair over the summer. Also, prior to this he worked on the defensive line a couple of years back and I think he did pretty good work with Montgomery and Golston.

Like I said though, I don't think he's ready to be defensive coordinator. I wouldn't mind brining Mike Trgovac back

[30gut]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Considering how poorly our linebackers have played (other than Fletcher), The last thing Olivadotti deserves is a promotion. We should bring in someone outside for the DC position, possibly Keith Butler (Steelers LB coach), or Mike Waufle (Giants DL coach). We need some fresh blood injected into the defense, not someone who will just continue with Blache's wussy-pants philosophy.

If Blache gets replaced those choices would be nice. IMO we need DC that comes from a successful dynamic defense like the Steelers, Giants, Ravens, Eagles etc.