Rank the NFC East teams position by position....

Originally Posted by ChickenMonkey

This is the first breakdown of them all that makes sense to me.....

Id like to know who the He!! Dallas,Philly, Or the Giants at this point have at WR thats better than Santana Moss????????? Riddle Me That

Santana Moss might be the best WR in the NFC East but that aint saying much. Moss is overrated by most Redskin fans imo. Hes a good WR but he would be better as a #2. Overall if Thomas or Kelly doesnt step up this year we easily have the worst WR core in the NFC East.

Originally Posted by Paintrain

You know, probably not but the question wasn't just about #1 WR. I'd take every WR on the Redskins roster over Kevin Curtis, Jason Avant (who I actually think is decent), Hank Baskett and Reggie Brown though.

Thats funny because right now the only Redskin WR who I think is better then Kevin Curtis is Santana Moss.

[NoviSkins]

this thread is exhausting...

[firstdown]

This thread takes way too much thinking. I don't get why you rank Romo over Eli when Romo has never won a playoff game and Eli really came on strong in the playoffs and the SB. You have to remember that pass when Eli was all but sacked and some how got away and got the ball to hisWR who made a hugh catch. Then in the final minutes hit Mr shot myself with the winning TD. I know Eli has look bad at times but when it counted he did his job and Romo two times has failed his team.

Originally Posted by firstdown

This thread takes way too much thinking. I don't get why you rank Romo over Eli when Romo has never won a playoff game and Eli really came on strong in the playoffs and the SB. You have to remember that pass when Eli was all but sacked and some how got away and got the ball to hisWR who made a hugh catch. Then in the final minutes hit Mr shot myself with the winning TD. I know Eli has look bad at times but when it counted he did his job and Romo two times has failed his team.

I honestly think Romo is far and away a better QB than Eli Manning. If you put Romo on that Giants team that year they win the SB and actually score more points. Last year I think Romo also played better than Eli.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

I honestly think Romo is far and away a better QB than Eli Manning. If you put Romo on that Giants team that year they win the SB and actually score more points. Last year I think Romo also played better than Eli.

according to you Romo played with a better team anyway last year and couldn't win a thing yet I suppose to believe he could turn the Giants around................................ahhh no!Time and time again Romo has been in presure situations and choke ....his QB ranking means squat.Can he win a big game,can he put a team on his back,McNabb has done it,Eli has done it and I believe Campbell can do it,Romo .....nope.

[pick-ups]

Originally Posted by Giantone

according to you Romo played with a better team anyway last year and couldn't win a thing yet I suppose to believe he could turn the Giants around................................ahhh no!Time and time again Romo has been in presure situations and choke ....his QB ranking means squat.Can he win a big game,can he put a team on his back,McNabb has done it,Eli has done it and I believe Campbell can do it,Romo .....nope.

Romo has been surrounded by tons of talent and has come up short in both attempts.

A botched FG attempt(his fault)against the Seahawks.
An INT in the endzone to seal the win for the Giants.

Both games were ultimately lost with his hands on the ball.

Originally Posted by Giantone

according to you Romo played with a better team anyway last year and couldn't win a thing yet I suppose to believe he could turn the Giants around................................ahhh no!Time and time again Romo has been in presure situations and choke ....his QB ranking means squat.Can he win a big game,can he put a team on his back,McNabb has done it,Eli has done it and I believe Campbell can do it,Romo .....nope.

When did I say the Cowboys had a better team than the Giants last year? For some reason you think my rankings look only at last year. My rankings throw in a number of factors. I ranked them mainly on how the teams rosters look as of right now in May of 2009 not from last year.

When has Eli won a big game? I will give Eli credit for managing the game and making some nice throws at times but he never carried a team on his back in a big game. Every time he had to he has lost or in SB42 he just got really lucky. Nothing I saw Eli do in the SB that year was something any other QB couldnt do.

If you want to base your QB outlook off of which team has won a big game then go ahead. I like to look at the QBs by what they have done on the field and not something that is a team accomplishment.

Romo for his career has a 94.7 QB rating. Manning for his career has a 76.1 QB rating. Romo last year had a 91.4 QB rating. Manning had a 86.4 QB rating last year. If you want to say Eli is a better QB because he rode the coattails of his team to a SB be my guest.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

When did I say the Cowboys had a better team than the Giants last year? For some reason you think my rankings look only at last year. My rankings throw in a number of factors. I ranked them mainly on how the teams rosters look as of right now in May of 2009 not from last year.

When has Eli won a big game? I will give Eli credit for managing the game and making some nice throws at times but he never carried a team on his back in a big game. Every time he had to he has lost or in SB42 he just got really lucky. Nothing I saw Eli do in the SB that year was something any other QB couldnt do.

If you want to base your QB outlook off of which team has won a big game then go ahead. I like to look at the QBs by what they have done on the field and not something that is a team accomplishment.

Romo for his career has a 94.7 QB rating. Manning for his career has a 76.1 QB rating. Romo last year had a 91.4 QB rating. Manning had a 86.4 QB rating last year. If you want to say Eli is a better QB because he rode the coattails of his team to a SB be my guest.

Go back to your rankings,you rank the Cowboys over the Giants in everything Offensivly.QB ratings don't mean anything .....can he win a big game ,Eli has ,Romo hasn't............,so the Super Bowl wasn't a big game .Like it or not he got the MVP...he must have done something in that game!Hey I bet Tom Brady has better QB rating then Eli but on that day Eli won ,that day he was the better QB.

[GTripp0012]

QB: Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington, NY Giants I believe that, looking at the careers of Campbell and of Eli, that Campbell is already the better of the two. Sure, Eli's 2008 was the best season either of them had, but that looks like an anomaly in his career numbers. I also think that Campbell can be better than McNabb, very, very soon, but out of respect to the established player, Campbell takes a back seat for now.

RB: Dallas, Philadelphia, NY Giants, Washington I'd take Portis over Jacobs, but it's close enough to the point where the depth favors the Giants.

WR: Philadelphia, Dallas, Washington, NY Giants Again, really close between the G-men and the Skins (both will rely heavily on young receiving), but as inconsistent as Santana is, he'd be the best WR on the Giants.

TE: Dallas, Washington, Philadelphia, NY Giants Both Dallas and Washington go two deep with starting caliber players, but Witten might be the best TE in football.

OT: Philadelphia, NY Giants, Washington, Dallas God, when will people realize that Flozell Adams is quite terrible.

OG: NY Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas, Washington Putting this in perspective, the Cowboys are paying a lot of money to Leonard Davis to stabilize this position. He's no Chris Snee or Shawn Andrews though.

C: NY Giants, Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington I don't think Jammal Jackson or Andre Gurode is all that at Center, but the other two are getting up there in age.

DT: Washington, NY Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas This is a great DT division. Best in the league, and it's really not even close. We're the best, though.

DE: NY Giants, Philadelphia, Washington, Dallas I realize Dallas is a 3-4, but man, they get zero push from this position.

OLB: Dallas, Washington, NY Giants, Philadelphia Demarcus Ware is really the only player of note at this position in the entire division.

MLB: Philadelphia, Washington, NY Giants, Dallas It was very close between Fletcher and Pierce, but age is being much harder on Pierce than it has been on Fletch.

CB: Washington, NY Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas Dallas' best No. 2 might end up being one of their rookies. Very strong position across the board in this division.

S: Washington, NY Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas This ranking is predicated on Landry having a better year than Kenny Phillips.

Special Teams: Dallas, Philadelphia, NY Giants, Washington Punting situation should be much improved this year, but they have a long way to go after last year.

Overall: Philadelphia, Washington, NY Giants, Dallas

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

QB: Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington, NY Giants I believe that, looking at the careers of Campbell and of Eli, that Campbell is already the better of the two. Sure, Eli's 2008 was the best season either of them had, but that looks like an anomaly in his career numbers. I also think that Campbell can be better than McNabb, very, very soon, but out of respect to the established player, Campbell takes a back seat for now.

RB: Dallas, Philadelphia, NY Giants, Washington I'd take Portis over Jacobs, but it's close enough to the point where the depth favors the Giants.

WR: Philadelphia, Dallas, Washington, NY Giants Again, really close between the G-men and the Skins (both will rely heavily on young receiving), but as inconsistent as Santana is, he'd be the best WR on the Giants.

TE: Dallas, Washington, Philadelphia, NY Giants Both Dallas and Washington go two deep with starting caliber players, but Witten might be the best TE in football.

OT: Philadelphia, NY Giants, Washington, Dallas God, when will people realize that Flozell Adams is quite terrible.

OG: NY Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas, Washington Putting this in perspective, the Cowboys are paying a lot of money to Leonard Davis to stabilize this position. He's no Chris Snee or Shawn Andrews though.

C: NY Giants, Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington I don't think Jammal Jackson or Andre Gurode is all that at Center, but the other two are getting up there in age.

DT: Washington, NY Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas This is a great DT division. Best in the league, and it's really not even close. We're the best, though.

DE: NY Giants, Philadelphia, Washington, Dallas I realize Dallas is a 3-4, but man, they get zero push from this position.

OLB: Dallas, Washington, NY Giants, Philadelphia Demarcus Ware is really the only player of note at this position in the entire division.

MLB: Philadelphia, Washington, NY Giants, Dallas It was very close between Fletcher and Pierce, but age is being much harder on Pierce than it has been on Fletch.

CB: Washington, NY Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas Dallas' best No. 2 might end up being one of their rookies. Very strong position across the board in this division.

S: Washington, NY Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas This ranking is predicated on Landry having a better year than Kenny Phillips.

Special Teams: Dallas, Philadelphia, NY Giants, Washington Punting situation should be much improved this year, but they have a long way to go after last year.

Overall: Philadelphia, Washington, NY Giants, Dallas

I hope your right and JC can become a better QB then McNabb but I think you have been smoking crack. LOL

[CRedskinsRule]

GTripp, I am surprised you have Romo as the best qb in the division. I think he is highly overrated, and while his numbers impress, the loss of TO will really highlight his flaws. I would not be shocked for his INTS to skyrocket and his TD's plummet this year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

GTripp, I am surprised you have Romo as the best qb in the division. I think he is highly overrated, and while his numbers impress, the loss of TO will really highlight his flaws. I would not be shocked for his INTS to skyrocket and his TD's plummet this year.

I would be shocked if he posted something totally out of line with his career numbers this year. He's been in his prime for awhile now (he's 29), so I don't see him getting much better than he is now.

When I break down Romo's passes from last year, the trends are startling. Almost zero of his most valuable completions went to wide receivers. Consistently, Romo was best throwing to his tight ends and backs. Little things like that tend to be the mark of good quarterbacking.

If Campbell explodes this year, I expect to see a similar trend: Cooley and Fred Davis with tons of positive value plays, a great receiving year from Portis, quality contributions from Betts and Sellers, and then the status quo from the WRs.

That should yield the breakout, as long as the status quo with the WRs looks something more like a set of standard NFL receivers, and less like whatever last year's impersonation was.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

When I break down Romo's passes from last year, the trends are startling. Almost zero of his most valuable completions went to wide receivers. Consistently, Romo was best throwing to his tight ends and backs. Little things like that tend to be the mark of good quarterbacking.

I'm gonna' have to disagree with you there. Doesn't that suggest that he dumped off two yard passes that the receiver or running back turned into huge gains? I think he was second or third in the league in interceptions and a lot of those were him trying to force throws deep. Truly, much like the Cowboys of the 90s, Romo and the RBs are playing behind a superior line. Call it what you want, but he has ALL day to sit back there. He's elusive yes, but I have never been like, "Wow, his throwing skills are amazing."

I always would see him have forever to throw or scramble and check down for a short throw that, in the stat books, looks like a huge completion. Sure, his elusiveness might suggest he's a great QB, but couldn't you say that about Vick and others?

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

GTripp, I am surprised you have Romo as the best qb in the division. I think he is highly overrated, and while his numbers impress, the loss of TO will really highlight his flaws. I would not be shocked for his INTS to skyrocket and his TD's plummet this year.

They could. Or if the Cowboys run the ball with Barber/Jones and set up the pass Romo may actually have a Pro Bowl season without TO. Hes still got enough weapons around him and with a new found get back to the running game attack I actually see his INTs going down while his TDs remain close to the same.

[diehardskin2982]

QB: Redskins, Eagles, Giants, Cowboys
You can save this thread because I am predicting Campbell is gonna make the quantum leap this year. He will be the QB that he was in the first half of last season, but this time it will last the whole season. McNabb because of age will slip, he will not have the mobility or arm strength that he had in the past. Eli and Romo have lost thier number 1 recievers and that will have a tremendous effect on the how defenses play them.

RB: Giants, Cowboys, Redskins, Eagles
This position is what makes the Giants go and the last time I checked they still have a 6-4 265 pound beast in Jacobs playin on that team. They only lost one piece of the 3 headed monster, and it wasn't the most important piece. The Boys have a lot of talent, the skins backs are aging. Although the eagles drafted a great running back I don't put much stock in rookies, history has shown that they either get injured or have so/so years.
WR: Skins, Cowboys, Giants, Eagles
If DT and MK step up this is a very dangerous group, they have size, speed, and talent. Hopefully we will live up to it. Cowboys have Williams who is better than other number 1 WR's in the division. Eagles have talent but they lack maturity. Giants look lost on paper
TE: Redskins, Cowboys, Giant Eagles
I put the redskins first because they got the depth and talent at the position. Whitten is great for the boys. Boss is okay, and I dont even know who the eagles have.
OL: Giants, Cowboys, Eagles, Skins
This area was the downfall of the skins and until they show progress I have to put them last. The Giants lines are what brought them a championship. Boys have the biggest line in football, and the eagles are a question mark.
DL: Redskins, Giants, Cowboys, Eagles
Haynesworth is a difference maker. we will see a major difference in our line. Giants have a great amount of talent on their line, I believe however the loss of Spags will have the biggest effect on this group. Boy have a good line. Eagles whole defense is in jepordy with the health of their coordinator, i feel he is the heart of this defense.
LB: Cowboys, Skins, Giants, Eagles
Cowboys have one of the best in Ware, and I think Brooking is a good pickup. Skins Fletcher, McIntosh, & Orakpo looks good on paper. Giants are pretty good with Pierce, and the eagles need to develop.
Secondary: Skins, Eagles, Giants, Cowboys
Special teams: Eagles, Cowboys, Giants, Skins