Mancow Waterboarded, Admits It's Torture

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

let's not pretend like hitting back solves everything in the end.

sometimes it works and sometimes it don't but regardless, you, me, him, her, the USA need to stand up and fight back.

[4mrusmc]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Violence perpetuates violence.

I come from the school of: Don't start nothing, won't be nothing.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

I come from the school of: Don't start nothing, won't be nothing.

I thought you renovated that school?

[4mrusmc]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I thought you renovated that school?

Yeah, I'm done with H. Springs. Now I'm about 3/4 done with Douglas Freeman, and after that I'm hoping for some "shovel ready" projects courtesy of the big O. Our shop just laid-off 17 employees last week. Maybe I should stop being a technician and start my own wind mill company.

But, to respond to the topic at hand, I sure am glad that some of you are not in-charge of our nations' defenses. Remember boys and girls what I always say, "except for ending slavery, Fascism, Nazism, Communism and terrorism, war has never solved anything.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

Yeah, I'm done with H. Springs. Now I'm about 3/4 done with Douglas Freeman, and after that I'm hoping for some "shovel ready" projects courtesy of the big O. Our shop just laid-off 17 employees last week. Maybe I should stop being a technician and start my own wind mill company.

But, to respond to the topic at hand, I sure am glad that some of you are not in-charge of our nations' defenses. Remember boys and girls what I always say, "except for ending slavery, Fascism, Nazism, Communism and terrorism, war has never solved anything.

Have those things been ended?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

Yeah, I'm done with H. Springs. Now I'm about 3/4 done with Douglas Freeman, and after that I'm hoping for some "shovel ready" projects courtesy of the big O. Our shop just laid-off 17 employees last week. Maybe I should stop being a technician and start my own wind mill company.

But, to respond to the topic at hand, I sure am glad that some of you are not in-charge of our nations' defenses. Remember boys and girls what I always say, "except for ending slavery, Fascism, Nazism, Communism and terrorism, war has never solved anything.

The problem with building wind mills is after the libs bitch that we are not building any they then say he!! no not in my back yard.
Ted Kennedy Wants Windmills Killed

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

I come from the school of: Don't start nothing, won't be nothing.

It really doesn't matter, but ask yourself, "Who started this?"

[firstdown]

Dang I just gained a little respect for Gore:

Gore laughed and said, 'That's a no-brainer. Of course it's a violation of international law, that's why it's a covert action. The guy is a terrorist. Go grab his ass.'" [20]

[Daseal]

Slingin' Sammy, you've quoted it and said "if, if, if" but never answered the question. Are you okay with American's being tortured?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Slingin' Sammy, you've quoted it and said "if, if, if" but never answered the question. Are you okay with American's being tortured?

I will answer this way, in a perfect world no one would torture, and/or be tortured. However, lets not play dumb a** and say Americans are NOT tortured. We have witnessed our soldiers dragged and beaten, civilians heads chopped off on the internet, planes flown directly into a civilian target. If I thought for half a second that us not torturing these agents would prevent these types of acts from re-occurring, then do not use these techniques. BUT our enemies will torture regardless of our actions, they will commit atrocities against civilians regardless of our civility, they will seek out targets that will cause mass casualties regardless of our attempts to use pinpoint accuracy and minimize civilian casualties.
Bottomline, no I do not want United States citizens tortured, but I recognize our enemies regardless of my desires, and so if we need to use brutal tactics on the very worst of the worst, then so be it

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I will answer this way, in a perfect world no one would torture, and/or be tortured. However, lets not play dumb a** and say Americans are NOT tortured. We have witnessed our soldiers dragged and beaten, civilians heads chopped off on the internet, planes flown directly into a civilian target. If I thought for half a second that us not torturing these agents would prevent these types of acts from re-occurring, then do not use these techniques. BUT our enemies will torture regardless of our actions, they will commit atrocities against civilians regardless of our civility, they will seek out targets that will cause mass casualties regardless of our attempts to use pinpoint accuracy and minimize civilian casualties.
Bottomline, no I do not want United States citizens tortured, but I recognize our enemies regardless of my desires, and so if we need to use brutal tactics on the very worst of the worst, then so be it

nice post, i agree with you 100%.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Slingin' Sammy, you've quoted it and said "if, if, if" but never answered the question. Are you okay with American's being tortured?

Our special forces are Americans. Our special forces go through waterboarding. Yes, I am OK with that. They have to be prepared for what they will face from our enemies if captured. It sucks that there are bad people in the world, but that's how it is.

I'm not quite sure what corner you're trying to paint me into here. Of course I'm not OK with Americans being tortured.

If there are Americans who decide to become terrorists and go out an kill innocent people in say, India, Poland, England, etc. and they get caught and their government feels that they need to waterboard them to get information to save the lives of their own citizens then I'm OK with that country doing what it needs to do to protect itself.

American soldiers are covered by the Geneva Convention, so if captured then they shouldn't be tortured under any circumstance. If we were at war with Russia or China and we caught some of their uniformed soldiers on the battlefield I would NOT be OK with torturing them.

Did I miss a specific scenario?

[Missin21]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Did I miss a specific scenario?

Personally, I have seen youtube videos of Americans being tortured AND murdered (I can recall one specific journalist[?] I believe where we watched these animals saw his head off with a machete). I think we should be just as willing to go as far as them to stop the terrorism as they are to create it.

It seems to me that the more we try to "abide" by rules that only exist to make THEIR lives easier for committing these crimes, the more we play into their hands.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Missin21

Personally, I have seen youtube videos of Americans being tortured AND murdered (I can recall one specific journalist[?] I believe where we watched these animals saw his head off with a machete). I think we should be just as willing to go as far as them to stop the terrorism as they are to create it.

It seems to me that the more we try to "abide" by rules that only exist to make THEIR lives easier for committing these crimes, the more we play into their hands.

I'm not willing to go that far.

[Missin21]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I'm not willing to go that far.

I am. And then some.

I say go after their families. They are born to die for their cause & take as many Americans & Jews with them as possible, but they know in doing so, their families will be protected & provided for by their governments. You take that protection away, you take away that motivation.