Debunking top 3 myths about the '09 Redskins

[53Fan]

Good stuff Paintrain. I'll take fact over fiction any day.

[KI Skins Fan]

Only the wins and losses can't be debated. Sports writers and the fans of our rivals can say whatever they want to say about us but they can't erase the whuppins we put on their favorite teams' asses.

So, I wouldn't care if others had the false perception that our OL averages 86 years old and we have a one-legged man starting at Right Tackle as long as we win.

[CRedskinsRule]

Very nice thread.
Point 1 - the OLine has to develop a sense of team. Every time I read that Samuels Dockery Williams and Heyer are working out in Arizona(I believe together) I get excited. My firm belief is that good line play is 70% talent (maybe less) and 30%(maybe more) trusting the guy beside you. This is why I think the Eagles line, though star filled, will be less successful. I don't think that their line is as integrated as ours, its much more of a patchwork line. As for the Giants, they have been seriously lucky to have not had any injuries to their line over the last 3 years, I think that comes to an end this season. Dallas has a slightly old line, but I think they play well together, and will probably be a key if Romo does have success.

Point 2: very interesting receiving stats. Not sure any media outlet would ever give that point of view. Our division is definitely run first, but DT working with JC (successfully unlike reports of Romo RW working and not clicking) may be the biggest single boon for our offense this year. It will be an interesting sideshow watching how all the NFCE receiving corps stack up through the year.

3rd - The AH signing represents the same old way of doing business but with more clarity. When DS came in he threw money at names, not potential. Now he is still throwing money around, but also evaluating the future potential of the player.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

1. The Redskins have the oldest, most injury prone OL in the division.
Actually the Cowboys have the oldest offensive line with no starter under 30 years old and an average age of 30.8. The Eagles have a younger offensive line but have 2 starters coming off of season ending injuries (Andrews-back and Andrews-torn ACL) and another addition that gave up 11.5 sacks (Peters). Samuels is the only Redskins OL that didn't finish the season last year and their average age is 29.8 years with 2 starters under 30.

2. The Redskins have the least productive returning receiving corp in the division.
If you read anything in any preseason magazine or on any website or listened to any sports radio you'd think we had Santana Moss and a bunch of camp bodies catching the ball. In reality, we have the most productive receiving group in the division. Here are the top 6 returning pass catchers (WR, TE, RB) for every team in the NFC East:
Eagles
214 receptions, 2839 yards, 15 TD

Giants
159 receptions, 1795 yards, 12 TD

Cowboys
232 receptions, 2585 yards, 15 TD

Redskins
280 receptions, 3024 yards, 11 TD

While we're behind on the TD passes, it's pretty clear that we have the most productive receiving group. By the way, the Redskins numbers don't include Kelly or Davis, both of whom are expected to contribute much more to the passing game.

3. The Haynesworth signing represents the 'same old Redskins' way of building a team and overall organizational instability. Of approximately 23 player additions to the roster over the past 3 years, 18 were either drafted or originally acquired by the Redskins (this includes Smoot and Dockery who returned in FA). The team is also the only one in the division who is returning it's entire coaching staff from last season and the only one who hasn't replaced their defensive coordinator from the start of last season.

I just wanted to throw some positive vibes and reality out there on the brink of training camp.

Good one. Show me the money!

[FRPLG]

We don't like all this "reality" you're bringing here. Please find some other place for your reason and pragmatism.

[SBXVII]

I'm on the Paintrain also.

I just don't see the other teams having as good a yr as they have in the past even if they have the better O-line. Baring injuries I think we have the better D-line which will reak havoc with them. No one can tell me that Dallas will be better this yr with out T.O. As much of a pain in the butt he can be he's still one of the best WR's. Media outlets are already talking about how Romo and Williams are having a hard time connecting. Last yr teams had to account for both talented WR's now they only have to account for one. CB Hall and Rogers will keep him in check.

In Eli's first few yrs he had all day to throw and no one to throw to. This is how I see their season again this yr. Yes they have Moss but he's not as good as his brother. Other then that they have no decent WR's to worry about. Most of the plays will be to the RB's and TE's. Unless the new D coordinator knows the system inside and out I see them changing systems which will create some small problems for them.

The Eagles are our only real threat as I see it. What they lack is WR's. Yes they have Jackson who will know the offense better and that's it. They will be in the same position we were in last yr except we also had ARE. Unless their new drafted WR turns out to be another CJ, T.O., Fitzgerald, or Bolden then it will take a yr just like it has Kelly and Thomas for us. I'm not saying he won't just saying he has a major leap to make and it rarely happens as we found out. If he turns out to be like those others then we will have some problems, but McNabb will have to get the ball out faster with our pash rushers. Secondly they have no secondary on defense. If Kelly and Thomas can step up I see us picking them apart.

[rbanerjee23]

how does NY not intimidate you, their second string defensive line is better than most starting defensive lines. They were already the best with the d line they had last year and then they got umenyiora back and added chris canty. Plus, their offensive line is arguably the best in the league. Just on the strength of the lines, NY could be the team to beat in the East

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

how does NY not intimidate you, their second string defensive line is better than most starting defensive lines. They were already the best with the d line they had last year and then they got umenyiora back and added chris canty. Plus, their offensive line is arguably the best in the league. Just on the strength of the lines, NY could be the team to beat in the East

Not that NY is not good, but they have several attackable weaknesses, and did very little to strengthen those areas. Yes they got Boley and Canty, but their DLine was not questioned. Their safeties and WR's are their weak links. Also, as I said earlier, their OLine has been together for 3yrs without injury, if they do that again then a) it would be a statistical fluke, and b) they would scare me a little more. Without Plax their play and offense declined significantly, and now they also lost an outstanding DC.

This will very likely be a down year for them (probably 7-9 or 8-8, they will still beat up on the AFC West)

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Not that NY is not good, but they have several attackable weaknesses, and did very little to strengthen those areas. Yes they got Boley and Canty, but their DLine was not questioned. Their safeties and WR's are their weak links. Also, as I said earlier, their OLine has been together for 3yrs without injury, if they do that again then a) it would be a statistical fluke, and b) they would scare me a little more. Without Plax their play and offense declined significantly, and now they also lost an outstanding DC.

This will very likely be a down year for them (probably 7-9 or 8-8, they will still beat up on the AFC West)

Who needs safeties if your D-line is in the QBs face all day and who needs great WRs if you have all day to throw? Used to be what made the Skins so good for so long. Great line play on both sides of the ball.

But I hear ya. You could be right.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Not that NY is not good, but they have several attackable weaknesses, and did very little to strengthen those areas. Yes they got Boley and Canty, but their DLine was not questioned. Their safeties and WR's are their weak links. Also, as I said earlier, their OLine has been together for 3yrs without injury, if they do that again then a) it would be a statistical fluke, and b) they would scare me a little more. Without Plax their play and offense declined significantly, and now they also lost an outstanding DC.

This will very likely be a down year for them (probably 7-9 or 8-8, they will still beat up on the AFC West)

Not to mentions we brought in AH cause we had no pass rush. He alone will command teams to double team him in effect clogging up the line of scrimage and taking blocker out of the play, someone will be free to rush the QB. They will be in the same boat we were during the Gibbs era into the playoffs. A great O-line but no passing attack. people will stack the box.

Also for those who want to point out our passing stats.....we were mostly a running team. Perhaps due to our difficulty at scoring in the redzone or what ever Zorn tried TD's with our RB's. Maybe I'm mistaken and you guys did look at over all offensive scoring. Hopefully this yr will be different and we have a lot more offensive weapons in the passing catagory. ie; Kelly, Thomas, Davis, Cooley, Moss, ARE, Mitchell.....etc.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Also for those who want to point out our passing stats.....we were mostly a running team. Perhaps due to our difficulty at scoring in the redzone or what ever Zorn tried TD's with our RB's. Maybe I'm mistaken and you guys did look at over all offensive scoring. Hopefully this yr will be different and we have a lot more offensive weapons in the passing catagory. ie; Kelly, Thomas, Davis, Cooley, Moss, ARE, Mitchell.....etc.

Yeah, I've been hoping "this yr will be different" with Cooley, Moss, and ARE for about three seasons now.

[SBXVII]

LOL ^.....I think he meant Buress and Toomer. LOL

[53Fan]

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

1. The Redskins have the oldest, most injury prone OL in the division.
Actually the Cowboys have the oldest offensive line with no starter under 30 years old and an average age of 30.8. The Eagles have a younger offensive line but have 2 starters coming off of season ending injuries (Andrews-back and Andrews-torn ACL) and another addition that gave up 11.5 sacks (Peters). Samuels is the only Redskins OL that didn't finish the season last year and their average age is 29.8 years with 2 starters under 30.

2. The Redskins have the least productive returning receiving corp in the division.
If you read anything in any preseason magazine or on any website or listened to any sports radio you'd think we had Santana Moss and a bunch of camp bodies catching the ball. In reality, we have the most productive receiving group in the division. Here are the top 6 returning pass catchers (WR, TE, RB) for every team in the NFC East:
Eagles
214 receptions, 2839 yards, 15 TD

Giants
159 receptions, 1795 yards, 12 TD

Cowboys
232 receptions, 2585 yards, 15 TD

Redskins
280 receptions, 3024 yards, 11 TD

While we're behind on the TD passes, it's pretty clear that we have the most productive receiving group. By the way, the Redskins numbers don't include Kelly or Davis, both of whom are expected to contribute much more to the passing game.

3. The Haynesworth signing represents the 'same old Redskins' way of building a team and overall organizational instability. Of approximately 23 player additions to the roster over the past 3 years, 18 were either drafted or originally acquired by the Redskins (this includes Smoot and Dockery who returned in FA). The team is also the only one in the division who is returning it's entire coaching staff from last season and the only one who hasn't replaced their defensive coordinator from the start of last season.

I just wanted to throw some positive vibes and reality out there on the brink of training camp.

Amazing stuff.

Where are offiss and irish?

[NYCskinfan82]

I want no excuses i want every NFC East team healthy, so when we whupp their A#s they can't say anything. I just beleive were better & that will make us beat them.