I think Jim Zorn is a great head football coach.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Fine. Feed him. But why not develop him into a passing threat as well, especially since our WRs are so mediocre? And I don't know how anyone could expect Portis to hold up all year with the recent injuries and his overall tread. Because they relied so much on Portis, no one was able to step up when he and the O line started to wear down. Dallas has a balanced running attack and a home run hitter in Felix Jones. I think he was injured in the second half. The Eagles pass 70% of the time and have a multi-dimensional back who can score from anywhere on the field, whether the ball is handed to him or thrown to him. All I'm saying is we have 2 1000 yard backs and a guy like Rock who can make things happen when he gets the ball in space (as evident from his kick-off returns for TDs). And Portis fumbles too, so big whoop. I think and hope Zorn will mix things up this year.



The Dolphins and Chargers do it by design and for long gains, while the Skins checked down for 5 yard gains on 3rd and 10. In the playoff game against the Ravens, the Dolphins went 80 yards for a score on the opening drive without throwing a single pass to a WR (all passes went to RBs, including their third back). Portis falling down to catch a 5 yard dink counts in your stats, but it doesn't tell the true story of our offense.



And he would believe this because? When has Sellers shown the skills to be a goal line back? And if LBS is all that counts, then give the ball to Samuels. Zorn did it to spite Portis. And I don't think Zorn sucks. I think there's more evidence to indicate he WILL suck than there is to indicate he will be GREAT. Like I said, I hope I am wrong.

A lot of these assertions contradict each other. You can't claim lack of creativity on offense and then question Zorn's desire to turn Mike Sellers into a GL back...because he's never been a goal line back before. That's what creativity is, it's not necessarily about being unconventional, just about doing different things to try to maximize the value of your personnel. In this respect, I think Zorn is quite creative.

What evidence do you have to defend the claim that the Skins checked down more often than other teams? Speicifally, how are they different than the Dolphins or Chargers in this respect (outside of the misbelief that some teams use their backs aggressively, but when other teams do the exact same thing they are being too conservative)?

Just to throw a stat out there, the Redskins passing game was up to a yard per attempt more effective when they blocked with 6 as opposed to 5. So if you are wondering why the Redskins don't always use Portis as a receiving threat, I think that might be a good place to start. Not that you can't use both Portis and Betts in obvious passing situations, but if you do, you lose the ability to get one of your young receivers into the game in a critical situation.

I also think you are understating the value of the Betts injury on our offense. I'm really not the biggest Betts fan, and despite the fact that he does all the small things well, he doesn't offer anything that Portis doesn't, but when he went down, you lose a lot of trick play ability in the offense. Zorn was using them together in packages, but once you lose one of them, it's understandable that they moved away from these packages. By the time Betts came back for the Seattle game, you could understand how a team on a two game losing streak was not so worried about trying to get two running backs on the field together (especially since Kelly was healthy for the first time).

[wilsowilso]

This is a prediction thread. I can't make any kind of case for Jim Zorn's greatness yet!

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

This is a prediction thread. I can't make any kind of case for Jim Zorn's greatness yet!

Yea....I guess you can't other than the thread title.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

Yea....I guess you can't other than the thread title.

I think Jim Zorn is a great head football coach, but plenty of Redskin fans and people all across the land don't know it yet.

Would that be better for you?

[Skins Fan in Indiana]

Zorn is a up and coming coach, with alot of room for improvement. If he can stay in town for a few years, we will then have our answer if he is a good or great coach.

You measure greatness by how many rings you have won.

Get some rings Coach!

[dmek25]

i really like the fact that Snyder didnt grab one of the old retread coaches. hopefully he will give Zorn enough time to find out if he can coach in this league

[Coff]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i really like the fact that Snyder didnt grab one of the old retread coaches. hopefully he will give Zorn enough time to find out if he can coach in this league

Sure, but if Vegas had odds on it, the money would be on Snyder to grab an old retread when the '09 season ends.

[53Fan]

I think you'll get your wish skinsnut. He has about 3 times the amount of offensive plays installed this year as he did last year.

[SirClintonPortis]

He seems to be following Walsh in that he is rather involved with his QBs and stressing mechanics from them. He's a straight shooter as well, so he definitely can earn, and likely has earned, the trust of his players.

[Ijaeger]

Zorn = 8:8 1st season
Gibbs= 8:8 1st season
...only time will tell

[Coff]

Originally Posted by Ijaeger

Zorn = 8:8 1st season
Gibbs= 8:8 1st season
...only time will tell

Gibbs: 8-3 in the final 11 games of his first season
Zorn: 2-6 in the final 8 of his

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Coff

Gibbs: 8-3 in the final 11 games of his first season
Zorn: 2-6 in the final 8 of his

Gibbs 0-5 in his first.
Zorn 4-1.

We can play this game all day and still have to wait and see.

[NYCskinfan82]

Zorn gives of this vibe that makes you beleive oh we gone but good, he's delegating responsibility better this year & all the coaches are on the same page.

[redskin37]

I would love to see Jim Zorn with us for a long time . I just hope he gets the chance if this is not a playoff year.

[BleedBurgundy]

well, it's the preseason, it's the time for unbridled and potentially unreasoned optimism. I hope you're right. I will say that he seems like a good guy, how that relates in terms of wins and losses though...that's what's important. Belichick is a complete and utter asshat, but the dude just wins.