Smoke Signals: Rock Cartwright needs to get over it edition

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Yes he was 6th or 7th in total yrds, but if you look at yrds per carry he's tied at 22nd with 25.6 yrds per carry.

Who cares about total yards, one guy could have 30 more KR's than the other. Average shows his real standing, and he is steady, but far from spectacular.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

1st point: I'm not sure why that would be? Rocks RB skills are no better then the TTB. In other words he has no skills on offense as a RB. All of his knowledge and ability is on ST's which Mason sucks at. He should not feel threatened cause no one has proven they can actually challenge him for the job. I think we can all agree that Portis, Betts, and Cartwright are not the future. Only cause they all are almost 30y/o. They will not be on this team much longer. If your only good at one thing then you better be damn good at the one thing. He should be happy he is. He's never going to be the #1 back of any team. Move on Rock.

Rock will survive. He's the special teams cockroach only more likeable

2nd point: Yes he has been steady for several yrs now....like 6 to be exact. He steadily gets us to the 20 or 30yrd line every KR. No further. Unless the other team has a crappy Kicker. I also think it's partly the scheme or blocking.

He consistently makes good decisions, and keeps us away from the goal line.

3rd point: I think it all depends on what list your looking at? Yes he was 6th or 7th in total yrds, but if you look at yrds per carry he's tied at 22nd with 25.6 yrds per carry.

I think it was pointed out before, that when you sort the list and get him as 22nd, you are including people with less then a minimum number of returns, like #4 on the list-Reuben Droughns, 1 return, 34 yds. Not really accurate for this discussion. But I would encourage you to sort that list by 40+ yard returns, and then compare his spot, and if you want to look further, look at where his 20+ returns put him with those who are tied for his spot when you sort that way. You might be surprised.

Paraphrasing MattyK Rock has griped before, but when he steps on the field he will give you everything he's got.

NFL Stats: by Player Position

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Rock will survive. He's the special teams cockroach only more likeable

He consistently makes good decisions, and keeps us away from the goal line.


I think it was pointed out before, that when you sort the list and get him as 22nd, you are including people with less then a minimum number of returns, like #4 on the list-Reuben Droughns, 1 return, 34 yds. Not really accurate for this discussion. But I would encourage you to sort that list by 40+ yard returns, and then compare his spot, and if you want to look further, look at where his 20+ returns put him with those who are tied for his spot when you sort that way. You might be surprised.



Paraphrasing MattyK Rock has griped before, but when he steps on the field he will give you everything he's got.

Totally agree with you. My point of putting the list up was to show that you can't always throw up stats unless you know what the stats are showing. I knew he was better then 22nd, but I would also say he doesn't get 40 yrds per carry. If you are looking at that stat there probably are only a few who have gotten 40yrds on one carry a yr. I would probably look at his average which is more to what he can do for you. Eliminate the others that only had one carry or two and keep the KR's that worked all season. Those numbers would be closer to his abilities.

[MTK]

I'm not understanding this notion that he should just sit back and be happy with what he's got. He was a 7th rounder so he should be happy with simply being on the team.

Shouldn't we expect all of our players to strive to be better, to want the ball more, to want more playing time, to want a bigger role??

Not saying that complaining in the paper is the best route to go, but hey, the guy is upset and he is free to voice his opinion. If I recall he's been upset in the past over not having a bigger role, but in the end he sucks it up and goes out there and plays hard no matter what. I highly doubt this turns into a lingering issue.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not understanding this notion that he should just sit back and be happy with what he's got. He was a 7th rounder so he should be happy with simply being on the team.

Shouldn't we expect all of our players to strive to be better, to want the ball more, to want more playing time, to want a bigger role??

Not saying that complaining in the paper is the best route to go, but hey, the guy is upset and he is free to voice his opinion. If I recall he's been upset in the past over not having a bigger role, but in the end he sucks it up and goes out there and plays hard no matter what. I highly doubt this turns into a lingering issue.

Yeah its okay for players to want to strive to be better. But he is almost 30 and he hasn't hit his stride yet?

As far as him getting upset. he should look in the mirror and ask himself why he coulnd't fill in for Portis & Betts when they were injured last season. Exactly.

[wilsowilso]

Do you're job. Special Teams has made you a very wealthy man.

[SmootSmack]

He should strive to be better (regardless of where he was drafted), but that could simply mean being better at special teams. He's free to voice his opinion, but I thought he took an unnecessary, back-handed slap at Mason in doing so. Which wasn't right.

[Redskin Warrior]

Rock needs to take notes from J. Campbell don't complain acknowledge your disappointed and kill it every time he gets a chance.

[skinsfan_nn]

Rock makes his living on teams. It is what it is. A #3 RB he's not.

Move on Rock. Your great at what you do, keep on truckin! This is a none issue. Rock will play hard for the SKINS!

[Swarley]

This might shed some light on Masons role

"We think [Mason] is a talented running back," Mitchell said. "We went with two quarterbacks, and it just worked out for him this year. We know he can run the ball; he has good hands and good vision."

Mitchell said if Portis and Betts get banged up early in the season and can't practice, Mason would be included in the game plan.

"Last year, they couldn't practice during the course of the week, and [Shaun] Alexander took all the reps but those two guys played in the game," he said. "It wouldn't be that way this year. If Mason takes all the reps, he would definitely take some carries."

Four's a crowd for Redskins' backfield - Washington Times

So in essence they feel he's someone who will be able to take that number 2 spot in the future and for right now he seems to be cover for Betts.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GreekSkin

This might shed some light on Masons role



Four's a crowd for Redskins' backfield - Washington Times

So in essence they feel he's someone who will be able to take that number 2 spot in the future and for right now he seems to be cover for Betts.

Nice find GreekSkin. Sounds like a plan.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by GreekSkin

This might shed some light on Masons role



Four's a crowd for Redskins' backfield - Washington Times

So in essence they feel he's someone who will be able to take that number 2 spot in the future and for right now he seems to be cover for Betts.

Cartwright has just 12 carries the last three years, and only injuries would allow him to get any work on offense.

Exactly!! This is what I've been trying to say forever only to get verbally jumped and cornered on this forum. We are building for the future with Betts/Rock (29) guys that are older than our starting RB? Seems I was a little more intelligent than those calling me a half-wit. Mason is a more tested RB. Dorsey could return but couldn't run. Alrdige had good speed by wasn't a good runner. Caught the ball well out of the backfield. Mason improved on his blocking. He is a good runner and a dependable pass catcher. He has improved over the years. Neither Rock or Betts are in our future plans. I would be suprised if either one of them is here next year. We will either draft a RB or sign one in free agency and Mason will take Betts place and Rock will be gone. We will have another RB in the fold next year to be CP's heir if Mason doesn't pan out. I think Mason is going to suprise a lot of people. But saying that, this article is common sense. But now that you see the roster cuts and that Mason has made the team. It validates my point. I hope all the people that called me half wit are eating their crow right now.

ps. Rock shut up! Your lucky you are on the team.

Running Back Coach - Stump Mitchell: "Last year, they couldn't practice during the course of the week, and [Shaun] Alexander took all the reps but those two guys played in the game," he said. "It wouldn't be that way this year. If Mason takes all the reps, he would definitely take some carries."

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Cartwright has just 12 carries the last three years, and only injuries would allow him to get any work on offense.

Exactly!! This is what I've been trying to say forever only to get verbally jumped and cornered on this forum. We are building for the future with Betts/Rock (29) guys that are older than our starting RB? Seems I was a little more intelligent than those calling me a half-wit. Mason is a more tested RB. Dorsey could return but couldn't run. Alrdige had good speed by wasn't a good runner. Caught the ball well out of the backfield. Mason improved on his blocking. He is a good runner and a dependable pass catcher. He has improved over the years. Neither Rock or Betts are in our future plans. I would be suprised if either one of them is here next year. We will either draft a RB or sign one in free agency and Mason will take Betts place and Rock will be gone. We will have another RB in the fold next year to be CP's heir if Mason doesn't pan out. I think Mason is going to suprise a lot of people. But saying that, this article is common sense. But now that you see the roster cuts and that Mason has made the team. It validates my point. I hope all the people that called me half wit are eating their crow right now.

ps. Rock shut up! Your lucky you are on the team.

Running Back Coach - Stump Mitchell: "Last year, they couldn't practice during the course of the week, and [Shaun] Alexander took all the reps but those two guys played in the game," he said. "It wouldn't be that way this year. If Mason takes all the reps, he would definitely take some carries."

Sorry but if we have to look at Mason to take the place of Betts or CP then we are in trouble. Plenty of guys will be coming out of the draft that can make an impact day one and not some scrub that cannot get on a team until now. Not sure why we kept him but we do not need to start building our new running core off Mason. I hope I'm wrong but there is a reason no other teams wanted him and if you look at his game stats they are zero.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Sorry but if we have to look at Mason to take the place of Betts or CP then we are in trouble. Plenty of guys will be coming out of the draft that can make an impact day one and not some scrub that cannot get on a team until now. Not sure why we kept him but we do not need to start building our new running core off Mason. I hope I'm wrong but there is a reason no other teams wanted him and if you look at his game stats they are zero.

Yep, there sure is a reason. Has to do with 2 things people forget:

1) Other RB's already on the team ahead of him.
2) Other RB's that have been on the team and already know the playcalls.

Basically he was not going to play anywhere until he knew the playcalls and the offense. but we can skip over that and make it easy to just call him a camp scrub.

Also why are people so down on Mason when he's only one step behind Rock technically. Rock was a 7th round draft pick and he still has not measured up to being a RB yet. How about we hear some complaining about that camp scrub who can only make it on ST's cause he's not a good enough RB?

and....for the record, Portis and Betts were both 2nd round picks. Portis 51st and Betts 56th.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Cartwright has just 12 carries the last three years, and only injuries would allow him to get any work on offense.

Exactly!! This is what I've been trying to say forever only to get verbally jumped and cornered on this forum. We are building for the future with Betts/Rock (29) guys that are older than our starting RB? Seems I was a little more intelligent than those calling me a half-wit. Mason is a more tested RB. Dorsey could return but couldn't run. Alrdige had good speed by wasn't a good runner. Caught the ball well out of the backfield. Mason improved on his blocking. He is a good runner and a dependable pass catcher. He has improved over the years. Neither Rock or Betts are in our future plans. I would be suprised if either one of them is here next year. We will either draft a RB or sign one in free agency and Mason will take Betts place and Rock will be gone. We will have another RB in the fold next year to be CP's heir if Mason doesn't pan out. I think Mason is going to suprise a lot of people. But saying that, this article is common sense. But now that you see the roster cuts and that Mason has made the team. It validates my point. I hope all the people that called me half wit are eating their crow right now.

ps. Rock shut up! Your lucky you are on the team.

Running Back Coach - Stump Mitchell: "Last year, they couldn't practice during the course of the week, and [Shaun] Alexander took all the reps but those two guys played in the game," he said. "It wouldn't be that way this year. If Mason takes all the reps, he would definitely take some carries."

ya know, we were clearly having to discussions. the point of the discussion was Mason would not stay if we only kept 4RB's we kept 5 so that opened it up for Mason.
Now if he can prove he should replace Betts, great, but he's not replacing Rock or CP on the 45man gameday roster.