Is Blache losing touch with reality?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Our offense needs to get on track and start making plays. There is no doubt about that. Pittsburgh won the SB last year with the #1 defense. That didn't stop them from taking a DT, Ziggy Hood, with their first round pick. Whether the offense is good or bad, you still want the other parts of your team to play as well as they can don't you? Or is the defense suppose to just stand pat and say, "We'll get better after the offense gets better?" The fact that we need to get more sacks and turnovers, and get off the field quicker has nothing to do with the offense. That's what good defenses do. Blache can't do anything about the offense but he CAN make the defense better and I'm not satisfied with them being "pretty good" regardless of how the offense is playing. I'm not sure how wanting the defense to play better is taken as an endorsement of the offense. I love defense and would like to see them kick ass. Regardless of how the offense plays, at least I could get some pleasure from that.

Excellent post.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Excellent post.

Thanks Sammy.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Our offense needs to get on track and start making plays. There is no doubt about that. Pittsburgh won the SB last year with the #1 defense. That didn't stop them from taking a DT, Ziggy Hood, with their first round pick. Whether the offense is good or bad, you still want the other parts of your team to play as well as they can don't you? Or is the defense suppose to just stand pat and say, "We'll get better after the offense gets better?" The fact that we need to get more sacks and turnovers, and get off the field quicker has nothing to do with the offense. That's what good defenses do. Blache can't do anything about the offense but he CAN make the defense better and I'm not satisfied with them being "pretty good" regardless of how the offense is playing. I'm not sure how wanting the defense to play better is taken as an endorsement of the offense. I love defense and would like to see them kick ass. Regardless of how the offense plays, at least I could get some pleasure from that.

Indeed there is a correlation between what the two units do, as well as how they play on the field. That correlation was a topic of conversation which Blache was very much a part of when he was the defensive line coach, Greg Williams was DC, and Gibbs was the HC. Blaches' coaching philosophy is simular in many ways to that of Williams minus the creative blitzing. He does not beleive sack totals/or lack thereof should be a barometer for guaging the effectivness of a defense.

Between Gibbs, Williams, Blache and the secondary coaches the subject of how Gibbs wanted the defense to play based on his struggling offense was discussed. They arived at the conclusion that many of Williams' exotic blitz packages would be curtailed, mainly because Gibbs felt if the defense was repeatedly burned by the blitz (in an effort to make big plays/cause turnovers) they could dig a hole deeper than his offense could produce out of. Whatever ambivalence if any there may have been, did not prevent the defense from being effective. He was of the beleif that a vastly improved offense would reduce any sizeable onus on the defense, hence the hiring of Al Saunders.

Blache's defensive philosophy is sound and effective. He may not have all the parts he'd like to have to run some of the sets he would like, but sound nonetheless. There are times when he would like to be more aggressive, play more man and press coverages but his personnel dictate otherwise.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Indeed there is a correlation between what the two units do, as well as how they play on the field. That correlation was a topic of conversation which Blache was very much a part of when he was the defensive line coach, Greg Williams was DC, and Gibbs was the HC. Blaches' coaching philosophy is simular in many ways to that of Williams minus the creative blitzing. He does not beleive sack totals/or lack thereof should be a barometer for guaging the effectivness of a defense.

Between Gibbs, Williams, Blache and the secondary coaches the subject of how Gibbs wanted the defense to play based on his struggling offense was discussed. They arived at the conclusion that many of Williams' exotic blitz packages would be curtailed, mainly because Gibbs felt if the defense was repeatedly burned by the blitz (in an effort to make big plays/cause turnovers) they could dig a hole deeper than his offense could produce out of. Whatever ambivalence if any there may have been, did not prevent the defense from being effective. He was of the beleif that a vastly improved offense would reduce any sizeable onus on the defense, hence the hiring of Al Saunders.

Blache's defensive philosophy is sound and effective. He may not have all the parts he'd like to have to run some of the sets he would like, but sound nonetheless. There are times when he would like to be more aggressive, play more man and press coverages but his personnel dictate otherwise.

The fact that I want our defense to play better really has nothing to do with the offense trust me. That's the point I'm trying to make. I want the defense to play better regardless of how the offense is doing. To your point about Blache and sacks, you'll get no argument out of me, he really couldn't care less. At least everytime he's asked about the lack of sacks, that seems to be his stance. Maybe I should be using the word pressure since that is what I'm really getting at. I use the word sacks because you are definitely getting pressure on the QB if you get them and probably more turnovers as well. I find it interesting that our FO doesn't share his philosophy though. We trade 2 draft picks for Jason Taylor, give AH more money than any DT has ever gotten, and draft the best pass rushing DE in the draft with our first round pick. What do you suppose the purpose was here? We sure didn't get Taylor and Orakpo to stop the run. And Haynesworth, although very good against the run, was acquired more for his ability to collapse the pocket to help get pressure on the QB than anything else.

I find it hard to believe that any HC in the NFL, or college for that matter, would not want more sacks, turnovers, and 3 and outs by the defense if they could get them. That is what I'm asking for. To think that this defense cannot get any better than it already is......well..it sounds a little "out there" to me. And the fact that a HC doesn't want his defense to get repeatedly burned on blitzes is completely understandable. If that is what is happening on blitzes you're probably not doing it right. IMO they should have stopped Blache from blitzing last year, he certainly isn't any better than Greg Williams at it and there is certainly nothing creative about them. They aren't disguised and end in completions as often as not. We have a good defense and I'm not hating on Blache, but I will not apologize for wanting it to be better, and the offense has nothing to do with me wanting that.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

The fact that I want our defense to play better really has nothing to do with the offense trust me. That's the point I'm trying to make. I want the defense to play better regardless of how the offense is doing. To your point about Blache and sacks, you'll get no argument out of me, he really couldn't care less. At least everytime he's asked about the lack of sacks, that seems to be his stance. Maybe I should be using the word pressure since that is what I'm really getting at. I use the word sacks because you are definitely getting pressure on the QB if you get them and probably more turnovers as well. I find it interesting that our FO doesn't share his philosophy though. We trade 2 draft picks for Jason Taylor, give AH more money than any DT has ever gotten, and draft the best pass rushing DE in the draft with our first round pick. What do you suppose the purpose was here? We sure didn't get Taylor and Orakpo to stop the run. And Haynesworth, although very good against the run, was acquired more for his ability to collapse the pocket to help get pressure on the QB than anything else.

I find it hard to believe that any HC in the NFL, or college for that matter, would not want more sacks, turnovers, and 3 and outs by the defense if they could get them. That is what I'm asking for. To think that this defense cannot get any better than it already is......well..it sounds a little "out there" to me. And the fact that a HC doesn't want his defense to get repeatedly burned on blitzes is completely understandable. If that is what is happening on blitzes you're probably not doing it right. IMO they should have stopped Blache from blitzing last year, he certainly isn't any better than Greg Williams at it and there is certainly nothing creative about them. They aren't disguised and end in completions as often as not. We have a good defense and I'm not hating on Blache, but I will not apologize for wanting it to be better, and the offense has nothing to do with me wanting that.

very well said.

[wilsowilso]

Orakpo had zero tackles today and Landry had 1/2 tackle.

Lots of players on defense played well, but something seems off?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Orakpo had zero tackles today and Landry had 1/2 tackle.

Lots of players on defense played well, but something seems off?

Rak had some nice pressures at the end so I can't get too upset with him.

[doughtydoubter]

i love our players, i truly do..And i also like the fact that there was just a little more fire out there.
WE just need to take some heads off, make people scared to match up against us.

[Chico23231]

Give the D some slack, I thought they played pretty well today. They made plays when they had to. Tackling was much better. Only 1 sack, but they knocked the sh*t of Bulger alot. McIntosh played great, they need to extend him soon. Only issue is third downs they did a little better, but I believe they allow 50%, so would like to see that number a little lower.

[doughtydoubter]

im not hating on the d. I thought the interior of our d line was fantastic.
Big al earned his paycheck today

[53Fan]

The defense played much better today. Glad to see it!

[Chico23231]

How about Tryon in the Nickle? I only saw one time where he got thrown on and it was completed and Tryon was on him pretty tight. By not hearing his name that often, thought he played pretty well. Horton had a great freakin game as well for that secondary. Any thoughts contrary to Tryon's play?

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

How about Tryon in the Nickle? I only saw one time where he got thrown on and it was completed and Tryon was on him pretty tight. By not hearing his name that often, thought he played pretty well. Horton had a great freakin game as well for that secondary. Any thoughts contrary to Tryon's play?

I thought he was blanketing the guy that caught the ball on him. I think he did better than Smoot. Of course that was the Rams. Horton is awesome. He is turning out to be our star on defense, not Landry.

[NYCSkin]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I thought he was blanketing the guy that caught the ball on him. I think he did better than Smoot. Of course that was the Rams. Horton is awesome. He is turning out to be our star on defense, not Landry.

While I agree that Horton has been good--Landry is playing out of position. Put him at SS and he would make even more plays than Horton.

[T.O.Killa]

Antonio Dixon played today for the Eagles