Lighten Up On Snyder

[Spence]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

We can debate his running of the franchise (I don't agree that he's a "terrible" owner), but not so sure why he's not a good person?

The Dan Snyder You Don't Know - Sports (washingtonian.com)

For every Washingtonian puff piece, I can find several articles about what a twerp Snyder is. If you're cool with $30 to park at FedEx Field and high ticket prices for a poor product, that's your business. I'm not cool with it. Diff'rent strokes and all.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Spence

For every Washingtonian puff piece, I can find several articles about what a twerp Snyder is. If you're cool with $30 to park at FedEx Field and high ticket prices for a poor product, that's your business. I'm not cool with it. Diff'rent strokes and all.

I agree...

It's more about actions than words for me...

You can tell the entire focus for the Redskins is money-centric. From high priced parking passes, to the $17 combo meals at Johnny Rockets, to only team who has charged admission to training camp, to always signing the biggest free agent contracts in NFL history at all positions.


Bottom line is this team's focus is the money and not the trophy.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Spence

For every Washingtonian puff piece, I can find several articles about what a twerp Snyder is. If you're cool with $30 to park at FedEx Field and high ticket prices for a poor product, that's your business. I'm not cool with it. Diff'rent strokes and all.

I'm pretty sure most of the "twerp" articles would be around his business dealings. Business is business, not personal.

If you're not cool with the parking/ticket prices, team's performance, etc. Don't go, don't watch, no one's holding a gun to your head. No one complains when Snyder strokes massive checks, flys the team to ST's funeral, and supports the players families.

Without revenue Snyder continues to bring in, we will at some point be limited in our options financially. I don't think any of us want that. With the salary cap possibly going away, I'd say it's a lot better to in the Redskins position than the Bengals or Jags. If the salary cap goes away, you negative types will be singing a much different tune. Don't forget the team that JKC built was without a salary cap.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Spence

For every Washingtonian puff piece, I can find several articles about what a twerp Snyder is. If you're cool with $30 to park at FedEx Field and high ticket prices for a poor product, that's your business. I'm not cool with it. Diff'rent strokes and all.

amen! preach on brother spence!

I can see how some skins fans could think the DS is not a bad owner, but i have a hard time understanding the logic of any skins fan saying the DS is a good owner.

go skins!!

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Spence

Is this a joke? Snyder is a terrible owner. He doesn't seem like a good person to me, but what I care about his what he does as owner of the Redskins and what he does sucks.

what do you base this on? i guess the on field product/ wins and losses? because in my eyes, i like the fact that he will do what ever it takes to win. sure, he has made a lot of bad decisions. what owner hasn't? there aren't a lot of owners i would take over Snyder. people around here make me laugh when the bad decisions that are made are solely blamed on Snyder. how many of you guys were happy as hell( at the time) when the skins went out and signed all of the big name free agents? ill bet a whole bunch of you. the only thing that irks me with Snyder is his inability to see we need a football guy running things. and that doesn't mean Mr. Cerrato

[Spence]

Originally Posted by dmek25

what do you base this on? i guess the on field product/ wins and losses?

I'm tempted to reply: What else is there? In the end, owners should be judged by wins and losses, just as coaches are.

Originally Posted by dmek25

because in my eyes, i like the fact that he will do what ever it takes to win.

This is the most commonly cited fallacy about Dan Snyder. He'll do anything to win. No, he won't. He might spend anything to win [and pass the cost on to the customers, of course], but he won't do anything to win. If he was willing to do anything to win, he'd fire himself and Vinny and hire a real GM.

Originally Posted by dmek25

surer, he has made a lot of bad decisions. what owner hasn't?

Snyder has packed a lifetime of bad decision [and coaches] into 10 years.

Originally Posted by dmek25

there aren't a lot of owners i would take over Snyder.

I would take virtually any owner over Snyder. I'm not impressed by his willingness to spend money, he has no idea how to spend it. I prefer an ownership that is careful with money, but spends it on good coaches, good personnel experts and good players. The Rooney's of Pittsburgh come to mind.

Originally Posted by dmek25

the only thing that irks me with Snyder is his inability to see we need a football guy running things. and that doesn't mean Mr. Cerrato

Amigo, you just made the case against Snyder.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

what do you base this on? i guess the on field product/ wins and losses? because in my eyes, i like the fact that he will do what ever it takes to win. sure, he has made a lot of bad decisions. what owner hasn't? there aren't a lot of owners i would take over Snyder. people around here make me laugh when the bad decisions that are made are solely blamed on Snyder. how many of you guys were happy as hell( at the time) when the skins went out and signed all of the big name free agents? ill bet a whole bunch of you. the only thing that irks me with Snyder is his inability to see we need a football guy running things. and that doesn't mean Mr. Cerrato

Well I will have to say that Dan has been trying to do this for ten years and it seems he makes alot of mistakes again and again. I run a business and if one way failed time and again I try another way until I get it right. Seems like dan keeps banging his head against the same wall with the same results. After watching how he runs the skins I wonder how he was able to start and run a business making all of the money he has.

[PennSkinsFan]

Listen, this decade has been miserable and much can be blamed on his interference. There are not too many successful franchises out there where owners are manipulative and involved. The guy even tried to buy up the media so only his spin is released.

Dan Snyder gets absolutely NO PASS from me. I have said it before and say it again, Snyder is NOT a NEW owner. He is not LEARNING! He has been an owner for ten years now. A decade. 5 coaches. A .455 winning percentage. No NFC East titles. No NFC Titles. 2 winning season in ten years. Horrible drafts. You can see all this by just looking. Why do the Colts, Steelers, Giants, Patriots, and other win consistently? They have professional front office and non-owner involvement in building the football team.

Snyder has tried it his way. His way is to be Owner/GM. Fact is, it has failed miserably. He can save his legacy by doing the right thing and hiring a top quality GM and stepping out of football operations.

Just remember. When you talk about Spurrier, you talk about Zorn, you talk about bad signings, there is one central figure to all these.

If everyone is 7-9 to 9-7 record with an occassional 10-6, then a Snyder run team is for you.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

Snyder has tried it his way. His way is to be Owner/GM. Fact is, it has failed miserably.

Don't rehash the Norv/Marty/Spurrier crap that was over 5 years ago. Does that count bringing in Gibbs?

He can save his legacy by doing the right thing and hiring a top quality GM and stepping out of football operations.

I don't have a problem with this and if we're able to get Holmgren now it's the right thing to do now. If Holmgren can't be locked down, then Snyder needs to take his time and find the right fit for GM. It doesn't need to happen before the Bye week.

Last I checked DS doesn't call plays or make plays on the field. He does bring in the best talent that HIS COACHES have asked for.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Last I checked DS doesn't call plays or make plays on the field. He does bring in the best talent that HIS COACHES have asked for.

You really think Snyder asks Zorn to approve his personnel decisions? You must be joking. Snyder didn't even allow Zorn to pick his own coaches. He sure as hell isn't going to allow Zorn to tell him how to spend on free agency.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Spence

You really think Snyder asks Zorn to approve his personnel decisions? You must be joking. Snyder didn't even allow Zorn to pick his own coaches. He sure as hell isn't going to allow Zorn to tell him how to spend on free agency.

how do you know this? Zorn was the first hire, so he could have been consulted. or do you work for the skins, thus being an insider?

[Spence]

Originally Posted by dmek25

how do you know this? Zorn was the first hire, so he could have been consulted. or do you work for the skins, thus being an insider?

You just confirmed what I wrote. Zorn was the first hire. He was hired to be offensive coordinator, not head coach. Ergo, the head coach wasn't going to be allowed to hire his own coaches.

[Spence]

And let's recall that Zorn wasn't brought here to be the head coach. He was hired to be the offensive coordinator before a head coach was hired. [In other words, the head coach wasn't going to be allowed to hire his own offensive coordinator. Or defensive coordinator, since Blache was assured of his job, too.] Zorn was only promoted to head coach because no self-respecting NFL coach wanted to work for Snyder.

[dmek25]

if you dropped a "dude" in there somewhere, i would swear Spence is SBF

[dmek25]

Spence, i don't know why you keep bringing up Snyder passing the cost onto the fan. can you name me one owner that doesn't? or one successful businessman that doesn't?