Smoke Signals: The Mike Holmgren rumors get louder

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

is Cowher out of the question. IF so why? What do you guys think we need the most. A Defensive or Offensive minded coach?

We need both. Prior to Zorn our D was good so obviously we needed an offensive minded HC to get it moving. Now our D is starting to have trouble.

Honestly I don't think it matters as much as other people think it does. It's kinda obvious, If you have an awsome offense then the team needs to score more points then it's opponants (Like the Patriots did), If you have an awsome defense then you need to keep the score low for you offense (Like Pitt has).

I often wonder the similar thing when people are saying "Our D needs to get a 3 and out so they can get off the field or they will get tired." Does the offense not get tired if they are on the field all day? I know all about action and reaction, meaning the D in reaction mode might be a second late due to reaction time but I have to imagine offensive lineman get exhausted also. I have to imagine they need a moment to rest up on the bench also? No?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

is Cowher out of the question. IF so why? What do you guys think we need the most. A Defensive or Offensive minded coach?

He will be when he becomes Carolina's new coach.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

He will be when he becomes Carolina's new coach.

I think he just bought a house in N.C.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I think he just bought a house in N.C.

Exactly. He's lined up for the job. And it is his type of team.

[Carnage]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

is Cowher out of the question. IF so why? What do you guys think we need the most. A Defensive or Offensive minded coach?

Cowher was given 15 years to win a superbowl. Under Snider, only Gibbs has been given more than two.

[PennSkinsFan]

I oppose any new head coach move without a front office change. Without a new GM and a traditional GM role, you get an upgraded coach with the same organizational dysfunction. I am also not in favor of Mike Holmgren doing both roles. Go back to the traditional redskin approach that led to Superbowls. get yourself a good GM, hire a good Coach, then rebuild the franchise.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

I oppose any new head coach move without a front office change. Without a new GM and a traditional GM role, you get an upgraded coach with the same organizational dysfunction. I am also not in favor of Mike Holmgren doing both roles. Go back to the traditional redskin approach that led to Superbowls. get yourself a good GM, hire a good Coach, then rebuild the franchise.

I agree, and if I'm a prospective hire considering taking a job with this team, I'm going to want assurances going foreward that management will be committed to building the franchise the way it should be done. If I don't see that committment, then count me out, I'm not going to be just another statistic to come here for a couple years and get fired like all the rest.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

I oppose any new head coach move without a front office change. Without a new GM and a traditional GM role, you get an upgraded coach with the same organizational dysfunction. I am also not in favor of Mike Holmgren doing both roles. Go back to the traditional redskin approach that led to Superbowls. get yourself a good GM, hire a good Coach, then rebuild the franchise.

That is the key, getting a great GM. Then have Snyder take a half step back in his current role player/roster management.
The dynamic duo of Snyder/Cerratto have proven over time they do not have the ability to keep this team stocked with quality/young players. I also think their selection of this coaching staff was not good.
It is time for a new young/up and coming GM. First Priority.

[jamf]

Holmgren and casserly will complement each other!

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by jamf

Holmgren and casserly will complement each other!

It sounds good, but it looks too much like our coaching staff right now. Casserly is a Gibbs product knowing what types of players fit that system. Holmgren is from a totally different tree. That's part of our problem with our coaching staff right now, or so I believe.

[celts32]

I would love Holmgren as GM and letting him pick the coach. I agree that he has a bad track record doing both jobs.

[GTripp0012]

It's got to be Gruden if the GM/Head coach are going to be the same body. Shanahan, Holmgren have both failed in that role, and I just don't think Cowher is a good coach, plain and simple.

None of these options are more appealing to me than Zorn, but if they bring their entire staffs with them, at least the whole team would be better coached than it is right now.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's got to be Gruden if the GM/Head coach are going to be the same body. Shanahan, Holmgren have both failed in that role, and I just don't think Cowher is a good coach, plain and simple.

None of these options are more appealing to me than Zorn, but if they bring their entire staffs with them, at least the whole team would be better coached than it is right now.

What makes you think Gruden would do well in a dual capacity? Better than say Brian Billick (just to throw a name out there)

I think Cowher would be a good head coach because he would probably do like he did in Pittsburgh and Gibbs at least tried to do here. And that is he would hire proven coordinators while he oversees everything.

How he would do as a GM is up for debate

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What makes you think Gruden would do well in a dual capacity? Better than say Brian Billick (just to throw a name out there)

I think Cowher would be a good head coach because he would probably do like he did in Pittsburgh and Gibbs at least tried to do here. And that is he would hire proven coordinators while he oversees everything.

How he would do as a GM is up for debate

I think Gruden conceptually understands the concept of replaceability better than most coaches, even most GMs. He wouldn't be married to Santana Moss for another three seasons because the guy has held a "no. 1 receiver" role before. He gets quality productivity out of guys like Ike Hilliard who don't cost anything. And he understands that, if Jason Campbell isn't the answer, he doesn't have to invest a top 5 pick to find a franchise QB.

Now, this leads to some maddening tendencies, like having to try out eighty billion different QBs who probably aren't the answer to find one guy who is, and that can lead to 4-12 seasons deflated by the Bruce Gradkowski's of the world.

But I believe he's also the kind of coach (and this is just an example, not something I advocate) who can spend a pick at the bottom of the second round on a guy like Tim Tebow and then quickly turn a punchless offense into one tailored for his strengths. I also believe with the money we already have tied up in defense, going with someone who isn't Greg Blache and maybe adding a piece at linebacker or defensive back can get this defense back to where we expect it to be. Gruden is a guy who can transform the offense overnight (and cheaply), and can make us competitive in 2010.

My number one choice is that we win 10 games this year with Jason Campbell taking the league by storm and Jim Zorn growing into the roles he currently holds and learning how to coach an entire football team.

My number two choice is Jon Gruden.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What makes you think Gruden would do well in a dual capacity? Better than say Brian Billick (just to throw a name out there)

I think Cowher would be a good head coach because he would probably do like he did in Pittsburgh and Gibbs at least tried to do here. And that is he would hire proven coordinators while he oversees everything.

How he would do as a GM is up for debate

I think if you told me that you had been to the future and we had already hired Bill Cowher, I would say: "I think that can work, but only if he comes in and keeps Jason Campbell."

Then you'd tell me that we didn't, and I would predict 5-11 with a worse offense than we had this year (and a better defense).