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[PennSkinsFan]

and again, the reality is, I just don't think it matters who the hell the head coach is, with the same front office format. We have had Gibbs here. We have had Spurrier. Zorn. Turner. It really doesn't matter. The organization is more dysfunctional than the coaching. That is the brutal reality. This franchise has not been a winner under Snyder in ten years, despite different coaches, different offenses, and it won't be until their is a professional approach to building a franchise.

One of Snyder's BIGGEST problems is patience. He thinks there is a quick fix to everything and wants the quick fix. Well, sometimes, things are so messed up, there is no quick fix. Until he learns that, expect more of the same.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

and again, the reality is, I just don't think it matters who the hell the head coach is, with the same front office format. We have had Gibbs here. We have had Spurrier. Zorn. Turner. It really doesn't matter. The organization is more dysfunctional than the coaching. That is the brutal reality. This franchise has not been a winner under Snyder in ten years, despite different coaches, different offenses, and it won't be until their is a professional approach to building a franchise.

One of Snyder's BIGGEST problems is patience. He thinks there is a quick fix to everything and wants the quick fix. Well, sometimes, things are so messed up, there is no quick fix. Until he learns that, expect more of the same.

I am with your 100%..I have said for a long time that no matter what coach is brought here, and what supposed talent is brought in, as long as Danny and "YES MAN" Vinny are running things, this team WILL NEVER be a winning franchise. There is a great article by Sally Jenkins in the post about management and man its great. I dont usually go along with her, but she backed it up with some facts and character issues that Snyder apparently has. I hate hearing its Jason Campbells fault, its Jim Zorns fault, Its Spurriers fault, blah blah blah....Can no one see there is one reason and one reason only this franchise has never won a damn thing since 1999!! DAN SNYDER...he creates this horrible attitude at Redskin Park, the organization and players just come here to get paid. He underminds his coaching staff, treats players like children if they lose a game and is just a basic billionare bully.

We will never be successful unless he steps aside, gives total control of players, draft, coaching, scouting to REAL FOOTBALL people. I would bring Casserly back, He did a pretty good job in Houston before getting run out of town for not picking Bush....hmmm how does that look now? Or I would pay what ever to get Ozzie Newsome, or Bill Polian, Allen, or someone with some credibility.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I am with your 100%..I have said for a long time that no matter what coach is brought here, and what supposed talent is brought in, as long as Danny and "YES MAN" Vinny are running things, this team WILL NEVER be a winning franchise. There is a great article by Sally Jenkins in the post about management and man its great. I dont usually go along with her, but she backed it up with some facts and character issues that Snyder apparently has. I hate hearing its Jason Campbells fault, its Jim Zorns fault, Its Spurriers fault, blah blah blah....Can no one see there is one reason and one reason only this franchise has never won a damn thing since 1999!! DAN SNYDER...he creates this horrible attitude at Redskin Park, the organization and players just come here to get paid. He underminds his coaching staff, treats players like children if they lose a game and is just a basic billionare bully.

We will never be successful unless he steps aside, gives total control of players, draft, coaching, scouting to REAL FOOTBALL people. I would bring Casserly back, He did a pretty good job in Houston before getting run out of town for not picking Bush....hmmm how does that look now? Or I would pay what ever to get Ozzie Newsome, or Bill Polian, Allen, or someone with some credibility.

If that's what Sally says, I'm glad I didn't read it. She hilites the obvious anyway!

[BleedBurgundy]

what is all of this "demotion" talk? Is there one example of a head coach getting demoted and sticking with the same team in the NFL? Honestly? That will not happen.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

what is all of this "demotion" talk? Is there one example of a head coach getting demoted and sticking with the same team in the NFL? Honestly? That will not happen.

I agree i've never heard of it before, but its not like anyone else out there would want Zorn as a HC or OC. It may be his only option.

[SmootSmack]

If, by any chance, the Jaguars relocated to Los Angeles...I could see Parcells there

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If, by any chance, the Jaguars relocated to Los Angeles...I could see Parcells there

I could see that as well, same goes most of the other teams that are being considered for SD, although the Jags are - by far - the best project for Parcells.

[freddyg12]

I mentioned Parcells in a thread two weeks ago when the gm/new coach threads started. I think you have to consider it a possibility. He will have a lot of demands, but he's in position to negotiate what he wants. Espn was speculating that he was likely to leave Miami after this year.

I can't stand the thought of it, but he's already been in NY & Dallas, clearly there's a mercenary quality to his work.

[4mrusmc]

Zorn=Spurrier. It is clear for all to see that Zorn does not have the respect of his players and vice-versa.

The only way these players will play up to their potential is for this team to have a coach come in with real NFL street cred and past sucess, like that of Cowher, Shanny, Holmgren, etc. And the fact that we are D.C., we will get what we demand, and sometimes not what we need. My bet is that Zorn gets fired at the end of the season and, Snyder will have The Chin sitting next to him at a table filled with microphones soon after.

[SmootSmack]

I think Zorn=Turner

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think Zorn=Turner

Zorn = Turner in the sense that he'll get canned midseason, or that he'll win a playoff game or two?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Zorn = Turner in the sense that he'll get canned midseason, or that he'll win a playoff game or two?

Well I mean I'm not in the locker room or really talking to the current players so I don't know for sure but I suspect that Zorn is trying and he cares...but he's overwhelmed. Which is what I saw from Turner. Spurrier just didn't care

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well I mean I'm not in the locker room or really talking to the current players so I don't know for sure but I suspect that Zorn is trying and he cares...but he's overwhelmed. Which is what I saw from Turner. Spurrier just didn't care

Let's say that's the case (I agree it likely is). Not surprising considering he'd never been anything more than a position coach, and now he's juggling HC, playcalling, and QB's. Maybe the mistake wasn't in hiring him, but in asking that much that soon. Granted the assumption was that Blache had so much experience, Zorn could sort of leave that side of the ball alone on game day (which I believe he does), but I've gotta think we'd be doing a better job if Sherman Smith was calling the plays. Zorn has struggled with critical play calls and time management. With less on his plate, maybe things improve in that department.

The question here is, can he relinquish playcalling and still survive as a HC on this team?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Let's say that's the case (I agree it likely is). Not surprising considering he'd never been anything more than a position coach, and now he's juggling HC, playcalling, and QB's. Maybe the mistake wasn't in hiring him, but in asking that much that soon. Granted the assumption was that Blache had so much experience, Zorn could sort of leave that side of the ball alone on game day (which I believe he does), but I've gotta think we'd be doing a better job if Sherman Smith was calling the plays. Zorn has struggled with critical play calls and time management. With less on his plate, maybe things improve in that department.

The question here is, can he relinquish playcalling and still survive as a HC on this team?

I...........personally would MUCH rather see an effective minor re-organization than a complete re-load.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well I mean I'm not in the locker room or really talking to the current players so I don't know for sure but I suspect that Zorn is trying and he cares...but he's overwhelmed. Which is what I saw from Turner. Spurrier just didn't care

Too bad he isn't half the offensive mind that Turner is.