How many starting RBs are worse than Portis?

[redsk1]

I think alot of backs could get more yards w/ our oline. There's been multiple occasions where CP can't make one guy miss or can't get around the corner and get's tackled. I'm not saying another RB could come in and average 5 yards a carry but i think alot could do better.

[Longtimefan]

Calling him a disgrace may be a bit of a stretch, he does have issues however, some fotball related and some not. I think some people are beginning to wonder if he's actually still worth the price or the time. BTW had he cut back inside Sellers block he would have scored. The fact he didn't is reflective of his lack of ability to change directions at full speed, a quality neccessary for a featured RB.

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Calling him a disgrace may be a bit of a stretch, he does have issues however, some fotball related and some not. I think some people are beginning to wonder if he's actually still worth the price or the time. BTW had he cut back inside Sellers block he would have scored. The fact he didn't is reflective of his lack of ability to change directions at full speed, a quality neccessary for a featured RB.

I agree, but also think he is so out of shape that he was just too tired to make anything happen at the end of that run....he was GASSED!!!!

[SkinDogg]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

I agree, but also think he is so out of shape that he was just too tired to make anything happen at the end of that run....he was GASSED!!!!

Okay, okay, , we get it already. Heard you the first time.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Calling him a disgrace may be a bit of a stretch, he does have issues however, some fotball related and some not. I think some people are beginning to wonder if he's actually still worth the price or the time. BTW had he cut back inside Sellers block he would have scored. The fact he didn't is reflective of his lack of ability to change directions at full speed, a quality neccessary for a featured RB.

Good post. Above is the key point. Two plays yesterday showcased this. The swing pass where he couldn't lose the LB and was tackled for no gain and the pitch play to the outside where the KC safety closed and rather than beat him to the sideline for 4 or 5 yds, CP tried to cut back, knowing he doesn't have the explosiveness the once had.

CP is an old back in terms of carries. Right now he is simply a downfield runner, and good in pass-pro. The OL was average in run blocking yesterday, the holes were mostly there, aside from a couple break-downs. CP just lacks the second gear to get through the hole and explode into the seocnd level. We are not L or R run dominant, over the last 3-4 games the L/R balance has been there. For the Panthers and Chiefs we also have gotten away from running the Stretch on every run play.

Portis is certainly not worth $8-10M / season in a capped or uncapped year. He will be gone after this year.

[hail_2_da_skins]

Clinton Portis should be part of the housecleaning that needs to go on in Washington. The Redskins should completely rebuild their offense. The only keeper in my book is Chris Cooley, maybe Santana Moss if the contract is right. Everyone else is expendable. Clean house on defense as well. Smoot, Rodgers, Griffin, and Daniels are at the top of the list of expendables. Zorn -> gone. Vinny -> gone.

[Green1]

There was a play in the Chief's game where they threw a swing pass, and CP ran slower that Todd Yoder with no gain on the play.

[jdot26]

Why is everybody hating on cp.. since the team isn't doing good.. everybody is blaming are star players.. all we need is a o line.. think about it we do the same left strech everytime.. we hardly run to the right so everybody defense just crashes left.. y'all got to give him a break.. he lost his to best blockers but nobody is taking that into concitaration.. man the line we got now is blow avg...at best.. cp tries to go up the holes the line opes for 0.1 seconds.. but they close so damn fast cause the line can't sustain blockes.. but now everybody wants to turn they back on are running back.. y'all cats are silly talking about clinton portis lost it and need to get rid of him.. we need him.. y'all crazy

[Trample the Elderly]

To hell with CP too, that Prima Donna hack.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by jdot26

Why is everybody hating on cp.. since the team isn't doing good.. everybody is blaming are star players.. all we need is a o line.. think about it we do the same left strech everytime.. we hardly run to the right so everybody defense just crashes left.. y'all got to give him a break.. he lost his to best blockers but nobody is taking that into concitaration.. man the line we got now is blow avg...at best.. cp tries to go up the holes the line opes for 0.1 seconds.. but they close so damn fast cause the line can't sustain blockes.. but now everybody wants to turn they back on are running back.. y'all cats are silly talking about clinton portis lost it and need to get rid of him.. we need him.. y'all crazy

It's the nature of a lot of Skins fans...always optimistic before the season, then every regular season game is met with lunatic ranting and raving, win or lose...and in cases of losses, total destruction of the team is the only way to improve.

[Meks]

to the initial moron-and-black post....

mike sellers blew the block, and 4get CP... ur acting like a disgrace to this board.

[sandtrapjack]

Anyone who thinks Portis is a leading contributor to the bad start to the season is, I feel, sadly mistaken.

When you compare what he did in the first 6 weeks of 2008 to this season, the only glaring difference is the total number of touches.

In 2008 in the first 6 weeks Portis averaged 4.7 ypc.
In 2009 in the first 6 weeks Protis averaged 4.2 ypc.

Not a big difference there, if a RB is averaging over 4 yards per carry, I say let him play.

No, the big difference in 2009 is that in 2008 at this point in the season, Portis had 30 more carries in 2008 after 6 weeks than he has in 2009. And last year at this point, everyone and thier grandmother already had Portis starting in the Pro Bowl. He had an awesome first half of 2008.

Now I know 2009 has been a less than desirable start, but, from what I see the Redskins have never been blown out, and they have never really been so far out of a game that they needed to abandon the run to play catch up, which in most cases is the 4th quarter anyway.

Keep feeding him the rock, and that will keep defenses honest and help the passing game out to boot.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Anyone who thinks Portis is a leading contributor to the bad start to the season is, I feel, sadly mistaken.

When you compare what he did in the first 6 weeks of 2008 to this season, the only glaring difference is the total number of touches.

In 2008 in the first 6 weeks Portis averaged 4.7 ypc.
In 2009 in the first 6 weeks Protis averaged 4.2 ypc.

Not a big difference there, if a RB is averaging over 4 yards per carry, I say let him play.

No, the big difference in 2009 is that in 2008 at this point in the season, Portis had 30 more carries in 2008 after 6 weeks than he has in 2009. And last year at this point, everyone and thier grandmother already had Portis starting in the Pro Bowl. He had an awesome first half of 2008.

Now I know 2009 has been a less than desirable start, but, from what I see the Redskins have never been blown out, and they have never really been so far out of a game that they needed to abandon the run to play catch up, which in most cases is the 4th quarter anyway.

Keep feeding him the rock, and that will keep defenses honest and help the passing game out to boot.

But Portis isn't anywhere close to where he was last year at this time in total value, when he was in the midst of a 5 game 120+ yards per streak. Also, 0.5 YPC isn't particularly close. And he has one rushing TD, despite ample opportunity.

Portis has actually been in decline since 2006, but behind an offensive line that played very well for 5 weeks at the beginning of last year, and defenses that were putting considerable resources to stopping the pass, he put together a really good stretch. At this point though, he's a grind em out power runner who doesn't really even finish his runs any more.

He's the best RB on the team, and still has considerable value, but he doesn't set up his blocks well, and he doesn't finish runs, and he fumbles. You can't argue that he deserves any more carries than he is getting.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But Portis isn't anywhere close to where he was last year at this time in total value, when he was in the midst of a 5 game 120+ yards per streak. Also, 0.5 YPC isn't particularly close. And he has one rushing TD, despite ample opportunity.

Portis has actually been in decline since 2006, but behind an offensive line that played very well for 5 weeks at the beginning of last year, and defenses that were putting considerable resources to stopping the pass, he put together a really good stretch. At this point though, he's a grind em out power runner who doesn't really even finish his runs any more.

He's the best RB on the team, and still has considerable value, but he doesn't set up his blocks well, and he doesn't finish runs, and he fumbles. You can't argue that he deserves any more carries than he is getting.

Gtripp, I think you are wrong...

The line has been on a decline since Randy Thomas and Jon Jansen started breaking down( 2006 ), Not Portis.

Injuries are catching up to CP but he is still a top 10 back in the league in my opinion.

The Redskins have the worst offensive line in the NFL. I'm sure you can probably pull one of your typicall bullshit stats out of your ass and say they aren't... They are and have been for a while.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jamf

Gtripp, I think you are wrong...

The line has been on a decline since Randy Thomas and Jon Jansen started breaking down( 2006 ), Not Portis.

Injuries are catching up to CP but he is still a top 10 back in the league in my opinion.

The Redskins have the worst offensive line in the NFL. I'm sure you can probably pull one of your typicall bullshit stats out of your ass and say they aren't... They are and have been for a while.

Well, I don't think it's mutually exclusive. I think both the line and Portis have been in decline, and both have contributed to the systematic drop in production. It's not all the fault of just one or the other. At least I'm pretty sure.