The Worst of Vinny

[tryfuhl]

I won't say Kelly, because if they get him involved more I still think that he can offer a lot to us. He barely gets into the game and when he does he's often running a "distraction route."

Let's go with Zorn.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I won't say Kelly, because if they get him involved more I still think that he can offer a lot to us. He barely gets into the game and when he does he's often running a "distraction route."

Let's go with Zorn.

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[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

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Oh whoops; I'd probably say Taylor, sure a lot of people agreed with it, but we're not GM's either. We were looking to replace a non-freelance spot with a guy who was known as a run stopper with a freelancing small pass rusher. After that I'd say the overdrafting of LBs, especially Glenn. I'd say that because we're likely to never see the guy start anywhere and we will with Kelly I believe.

[skinsfaninok]

Basically he's an IDIOT! He didn't believe in building a team from the draft (which is a winning way) he tried FA all the time.. He made some solid picks at times but mostly he was retarded.

[over the mountain]

if i remember correctly, everyone here except for i think 1 or 2 people, were happy with the JT trade, me included. i guess fans can be afforded the luxury of hindisght but GM/VP execs cant.

idk i just have trouble knocking vinny for the JT trade, of course we are not privy to everything he knew and have to make our assesments on the bare facts like: daniels done for season, JT was 33 (?) future hall of famer, our pass rush had been non-existent the year before, JT agreed to be here 2 years instead of 1 and retiring like he originally was inclinded to do.

[davy]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

if i remember correctly, everyone here except for i think 1 or 2 people, were happy with the JT trade, me included. i guess fans can be afforded the luxury of hindisght but GM/VP execs cant.

idk i just have trouble knocking vinny for the JT trade, of course we are not privy to everything he knew and have to make our assesments on the bare facts like: daniels done for season, JT was 33 (?) future hall of famer, our pass rush had been non-existent the year before, JT agreed to be here 2 years instead of 1 and retiring like he originally was inclinded to do.

Just checked that out...


Jason Taylor Trade

In favour - 195
Against - 17

I was one of the minority.

[celts32]

It was easily the trade of a 2nd and a 6th for Jason Taylor. That was typical Snyderatto that summed up everything Vinny was all about.

2nd place for me would be the Malcom Kelly pick...after already picking 2 pass catchers you would think he could have used 1 of the #2 picks on a lineman even if they were not the next player on their board.

[Frost]

i think trading for brandon Lloyd was even worst than the jason taylor, in fact it was the worst move.

[davy]

I hate having to stand up for Vinny, but somebody has to.

Most of what people consider the worst recent moves fall squarely on the shoulders of Joe Gibbs.

LLoyd, Archuletta, El, Duckett, all arrived when he was calling the shots.

I loved Gibbs first time around but let's put the blame where it should be.

[birdz4gibbs]

Originally Posted by davy

I hate having to stand up for Vinny, but somebody has to.

Most of what people consider the worst recent moves fall squarely on the shoulders of Joe Gibbs.

LLoyd, Archuletta, El, Duckett, all arrived when he was calling the shots.

I loved Gibbs first time around but let's put the blame where it should be.

they all should be accountable to me. gibbs 2.0 would have had something going for it if we hired bruce allen then instead of vinny but they all should be held accountable.. i love gibbs the first time around and for the second coming it didn,t workout but the effort was there and it wasn,t there after he left again but your right.
we must move on from here with bruce allen and whoever he brings in as coach..maybe then they will trade a few to get back some draft picks cause we need them now.

[rbanerjee23]

For me its a tossup between Adam Archuleta and Brandon Lloyd all in the same year

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

In his 2 years as Executive Vice President, what do you think was Vinny's single worst player-roster move?

Try to be specific, not just "he didn't address the line"

Was it trading a 2nd and a 6th for Jason Taylor?

Was it drafting Malcolm Kelly after we had just drafted Devin Thomas and Fred Davis?

Was it not re-signing Marcus Washington?

Was it drafting a punter?

So just to recap here, Vinny's player-roster moves since January 2008 until November 2009. The time that he was EVP of the team. So I don't think Adam Archuleta really counts. or Brandon Lloyd...unless you think cutting Lloyd was Vinny's worst move as EVP

[over the mountain]

davy - yeah i gotta agree with you there. i remember the year before we signed lloyd and ARE our passing game lacked any vertical movement which was they most glaring complaint and need for the team at the time. gibbs had brought in stop-gap guys like reche caldwell and irving friar b/c we had noone so the next year we signed lloyd and ARE. (am i right on irving friar that year or was that earlier?)

but i guess the decision to tear up lloyds contract with 1 year remaining and giving him a new lucatrive one before you even saw him in burgundy and gold was on vinny. why not let him audition for a year then asses his contract value? of course im taking an educated guess that vinny was the one in control of lloyds contract decision.

warpaint - it has been rumored the giants offered more than the skins, somthing like 103 to 108 mil. i personally like how the AH contract is set up assuming next year is uncapped and 20+ mil of the guaranteed money he is set to get next year actually gets done and off the books going forward after next year.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

warpaint - it has been rumored the giants offered more than the skins, somthing like 103 to 108 mil. i personally like how the AH contract is set up assuming next year is uncapped and 20+ mil of the guaranteed money he is set to get next year actually gets done and off the books going forward after next year.

What would his contract look like after next year uncapped.So if I got this right next year if it is uncapped we can pay the majority of any undesirable contracts with out penalty and renegotate.

What i mean is next year we owe a guy like 75 million and he has 5 years left. We can pay 70 mil next year and split the remainder equally with out penalty or am I way off.

Could you explain.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by warpaint

Could you explain.

you need to talk with or read schneed10's threads in the salary cap section, he is the cap guru. but it's my understnading that there are percentage limits on accelerating contracts that wouldnt allow teams to do what you suggest.

im pretty sure AH is owed a 20+ mil signing bonus next year. i think the contract was structured this way to take advantage of the expected uncapped year next year.

im really the wrong guy to ask.