Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah I found it kind of interesting that players were talking about needing more leaders in the locker room...I mean why not be those leaders then?

My guess is that they tried, but had the rug pulled out from underneath them, either by Snyder directly, or more likely Zorn directly due to pressure from DS/VC. Leadership without authority is useless. The best thing I heard BA say was that he was going to select the coach, and that coach would have full authority to be the leader of the team. I hope it works like that. Alot of dysfunction would go away very quickly if the first time a player tries to go over the HC's head, he got doubly slapped down.

In my own job, I came in as a rookie (kinda like Zorn), and as soon as he put me in my position, when any guys went to him, his reply was you have to go to him. Not too long after that the guys started coming to me, because going over or behind or around me didn't get them anywhere. That's what needs to happen at Ashburn going forward. We will see if DS can do that.

[GusFrerotte]

Mr. Cooke never did that shit. He just hired the right guys and signed the damn checks and let the football guys do their thing. He just sat back and watched his Skins kick some ass. He wasn't a total egomaniac like Snyder or Jones. He admitted he knew nothing about the ins and outs of running a football team, but was smart enough to hire guys that did. Too bad John Boy was sort of a wuss, then he might have been able to keep the team somehow.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Mr. Cooke never did that shit. He just hired the right guys and signed the damn checks and let the football guys do their thing. He just sat back and watched his Skins kick some ass. He wasn't a total egomaniac like Snyder or Jones. He admitted he knew nothing about the ins and outs of running a football team, but was smart enough to hire guys that did. Too bad John Boy was sort of a wuss, then he might have been able to keep the team somehow.

What do you mean he wasn't an ego maniac? What do you mean all he did was sit back and sign the checks? He was in Beathard/Casserly and Gibb's faces all the time. Attending practices, making suggestions, threatening to fire Gibbs, suggesting that Gibbs was a fool for starting Rypien and telling him he should be more like Jimmy Johnson.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What do you mean he wasn't an ego maniac? What do you mean all he did was sit back and sign the checks? He was in Beathard/Casserly and Gibb's faces all the time. Attending practices, making suggestions, threatening to fire Gibbs, suggesting that Gibbs was a fool for starting Rypien and telling him he should be more like Jimmy Johnson.

Yeah but he never ever went out and signed guys himself. He never went out and got free agents. He left that up to the football people. Plus he never hung out or socialized with players. I think those days are over for Snyder now tha Allen is here. Or let's hope so.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Mr. Cooke never did that shit. He just hired the right guys and signed the damn checks and let the football guys do their thing. He just sat back and watched his Skins kick some ass. He wasn't a total egomaniac like Snyder or Jones. He admitted he knew nothing about the ins and outs of running a football team, but was smart enough to hire guys that did. Too bad John Boy was sort of a wuss, then he might have been able to keep the team somehow.

I don't believe that is exactly true, both Gibbs and Beathard spoke of Cooke's involvement. He did defer to football guys, but he was always involved.

[FRPLG]

I agree w/ you both. I am always struck by the fact that it doesn't seem like we have a real leader on this team. At least one that is front and center. The closest thing it seems we've had in recent years is DHall this past season. To me a leader has to be confident enough in his position to call people out in public. Maybe not throw people under the bus but at least be honest about failures. We never seem to have that. But I also realize the culture has probably killed that some. I just wish we had a player with the balls to put himself in front of the cultural bus and start cracking heads. It sounds like maybe that's what Zorn needed the most.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I agree w/ you both. I am always struck by the fact that it doesn't seem like we have a real leader on this team. At least one that is front and center. The closest thing it seems we've had in recent years is DHall this past season. To me a leader has to be confident enough in his position to call people out in public. Maybe not throw people under the bus but at least be honest about failures. We never seem to have that. But I also realize the culture has probably killed that some. I just wish we had a player with the balls to put himself in front of the cultural bus and start cracking heads. It sounds like maybe that's what Zorn needed the most.

What Zorn needed was the power to be the true voice of the team. The problem was he was on a short leash right from the start and it didn't take long for certain players to figure that out.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

What Zorn needed was the power to be the true voice of the team. The problem was he was on a short leash right from the start and it didn't take long for certain players to figure that out.

Yeah I guess I meant he needed players to essentially create this since management hadn't. That's a tall order for sure.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

What Zorn needed was the power to be the true voice of the team. The problem was he was on a short leash right from the start and it didn't take long for certain players to figure that out.

I agree. Ideally I wanted Zorn back for a 3rd year, but after all that DS et al put him through, his credibility was already awash.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

What Zorn needed was the power to be the true voice of the team. The problem was he was on a short leash right from the start and it didn't take long for certain players to figure that out.

It was like night and day. When he first got there he was ready and fired up. After a month he was pea soup.

[MTK]

There's no way Shanahan comes in unless he's 100% in charge of his team and is the only sheriff in town. In terms of accountability and leadership, this is a great thing.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

There's no way Shanahan comes in unless he's 100% in charge of his team and is the only sheriff in town. In terms of accountability and leadership, this is a great thing.

This is absolutely what this team needs and has been lacking.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

There's no way Shanahan comes in unless he's 100% in charge of his team and is the only sheriff in town. In terms of accountability and leadership, this is a great thing.

If thats the case what does it mean for Allen. Is he a true GM or just a cap guy with no real power? I think what powers Shanny's deal gives him will speak volumes as to how this might work out.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by irish

If thats the case what does it mean for Allen. Is he a true GM or just a cap guy with no real power? I think what powers Shanny's deal gives him will speak volumes as to how this might work out.

As far as the TEAM, he should have power. The players shouldn't be running to the owner or GM, they should answer to the coach.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

If thats the case what does it mean for Allen. Is he a true GM or just a cap guy with no real power? I think what powers Shanny's deal gives him will speak volumes as to how this might work out.

Allen's role will be just like it was in Tampa, just like Heckert in Philly, just like other places I can't think of right now. He will oversee the scouting and the overall draft/trade/free agency process (who's available, who to interview, who to invite for tryouts, etc). He will maintain order in the organization and provide Shanahan with information and insights and give him basically the best ammo to make a strong decision.