brett favre

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Mc2guy

If were building a modern-era team (which would exlude Unitas, Graham, Baugh, and maybe Starr), I'd put him in front of all of them except Manning, Young, and Montana, and tied with Marino. One factor you must consider is durability. Do I want the guy who will give me the single greatest game? (Warner could qualify for that one). Or do I want the guy who will give me the greatest decade? If the latter, you have to give more credit for Favre's durability and consistently high-level of play over a long period.

You said Favre was top 3 all-time. You cannot take out Unitas (3 championships), Graham (7 championships), Baugh (greatest player to ever play, 2 championships), and Starr (5 championships). These guys played in the pre-pass interference days when DBs could basically hold a WR all the way downfield.

You must be kidding if you would take Favre over; Elway (5 SB appearances, 2 rings), Brady (3 rings), Aikman (3 rings) and Jim Kelly (4 straight SB appearances)

EDIT: At the end of the day being a QB is more than just passing numbers, it's being a leader of men. And being a leader means you put your ego on the back burner for the sake of your teammates. Make the 5 yd pass when necessary, run and slide when necessary, be a good mentor and backup as your career winds down, the goal is for the team to win the game, not you (Favre) make the winning play to win the game. Favre's ego is what has cost his teams over the last few years.

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

You said Favre was top 3 all-time. You cannot take out Unitas (3 championships), Graham (7 championships), Baugh (greatest player to ever play, 2 championships), and Starr (5 championships). These guys played in the pre-pass interference days when DBs could basically hold a WR all the way downfield.

You must be kidding if you would take Favre over; Elway (5 SB appearances, 2 rings), Brady (3 rings), Aikman (3 rings) and Jim Kelly (4 straight SB appearances)

EDIT: At the end of the day being a QB is more than just passing numbers, it's being a leader of men. And being a leader means you put your ego on the back burner for the sake of your teammates. Make the 5 yd pass when necessary, run and slide when necessary, be a good mentor and backup as your career winds down, the goal is for the team to win the game, not you (Favre) make the winning play to win the game. Favre's ego is what has cost his teams over the last few years.

First, I didn't say Favre was all time top 3...another poster did. I said his play THIS year was top 5 in the league.

Second, if you want to make this a "best of all time" thread, you're going to have define "best". Is it stats, wins, championships, intangibles? You're never going to get everyone to agree on the definition of "best." That's why we have forums for debate.

BTW, I am on record in this forum suggesting that Bart Starr is the greatest QB of all time by any measurement, statistical or otherwise. I still wouldn't pick him to run a modern offense over Favre...different era, different type of player. Does that mean he's "worse"? Of course not.

At the end of the day, the best measure of a player can be assessed in a myriad of ways. Football is entertainment after all, and I doubt many would say that Favre is not one of, if not the most entertaining to watch.

Here is the link from this discussion two years ago...FWIW, Manning would now be on my top ten list.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post429191

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

So if you're the GM of a team and you can have ANY all-time great, in his prime, which of these would you take Favre instead of:

Sammy Baugh
Sonny Jurgensen
Joe Montana
Steve Young
John Elway
Johnny Unitas
Dan Mario
Dan Fouts
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Troy Aikman
Otto Graham
Bart Starr
Jim Kelly

Montana , Elway , Marino , Staubach , Manning . I would add Sonny and Sammy < never saw Sammy , little of # 9. Fouts , I would have had to see him with less talent to put him above BF , same goes for Aikman .

[hail_2_da_skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

So if you're the GM of a team and you can have ANY all-time great, in his prime, which of these would you take Favre instead of:

Sammy Baugh
Sonny Jurgensen
Joe Montana
Steve Young
John Elway
Johnny Unitas
Dan Mario
Dan Fouts
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Troy Aikman
Otto Graham
Bart Starr
Jim Kelly

I would take the following over Brett Favre.
Joe Montana, Steve Young, John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady.

[SolidSnake84]

thats the whole thing....you cant fumble the ball that much and still win.

[53Fan]

Yeah I kinda find it hard to fault GB for wanting to know whether their starting QB was coming back or not so they could plan for the upcoming season. It got to be pretty silly.

[GusFrerotte]

He needs to get a life. This guy has blown it in the big games for awhile now. I mean it has been what, like 14 years since his SB victory? He wants to go out a winner, that is cool, but sometimes you just need to hang it up. As for the Vikes, they better draft a QB in May or they are screwed when Favre does decide to retire. Tavaris Jackson made Gus Frerotte look good!!!!!!!

[GTripp0012]

I'd take Favre over Jurgensen, Aikman, Kelly, Elway, Brady...and maybe Dan Fouts. But I would not take him over Tarkenton, plus anyone else on Slingin Sammy's list.

[DIE-NASTY]

As we've seen this year, Favre can still play at a high level but maybe this is a good time for him to retire. The Vikings almost made the playoffs and he put up great numbers but who knows if he/they can repeat and get to the big game (neither AZ or Pitt made it this year). It would be a shame to end a great career on a 8-8 record and miss the playoffs.

[GusFrerotte]

Fouts and the Chargers of the 1980's were of comparable talent with the Packers of the mid to late 90's. I would go with Fouts over Brett just for the ego thing alone. Marino would be a good pick over Favre also. He was at Miami forever. That team went to shit after the 80's and Dan didn't have much to work with after that, either.

[SBXVII]

Maybe it was addressed and I'm sorry for being lazy and not looking, but it's painfully obvious that Brett loves the game. I like him a lot but am so damn tired of hearing how he's going to retire then not, then he is, then he's back.

Is there anyway a team could hire him as an offensive asst. or QB coach? Basically get him on a team as a coach in some capacity which still gives him a pay check and allows him to be a part of the team mentality but also keep him retired.

[rypper11]

Favre should never coach. He wouldn't help his backups for the past 5 or 6 seasons so why should you think he'd be able to groom young passers.
I also believe that great players make for bad coaches (Dikta being the possible exception).

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by rypper11

Favre should never coach. He wouldn't help his backups for the past 5 or 6 seasons so why should you think he'd be able to groom young passers.
I also believe that great players make for bad coaches (Dikta being the possible exception).

Seemed like Aron was ready to play when it was his turn and I'm sure Brett has helped him over the years.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Seemed like Aron was ready to play when it was his turn and I'm sure Brett has helped him over the years.

Rodgers being ready to play had a whole lot more to do with Mike McCarthy than Favre. I don't think Favre was interested in anyone but himself:

Rodgers says he's ready to lead Packers - NFL - ESPN
From this link it looks like it was more of Rodgers helping Favre than the other way around.


This isn't related to your post but just thought I'd throw it out there. Here's a quote from Fran Tarkenton about Favre: Tarkenton added that “I think he has been a great flamboyant quarterback, but he has made more stupid plays than any great quarterback that I’ve ever seen."

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by rypper11

Favre should never coach. He wouldn't help his backups for the past 5 or 6 seasons so why should you think he'd be able to groom young passers.
I also believe that great players make for bad coaches (Dikta being the possible exception).

Grimm?
Singletary?
Haslett?...ok you got me.