I'm Not Sticking By Gibbs

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Correct me if I'm wrong but the subject of this thread says 'I'm not sticking by Gibbs'. So if you're not sticking with him fine, just don't jump back on board when things turn for the better, that's all. If you're not going to stick with him through thick and thin than I don't want to hear how big of a Gibbs fan you are when he wins, that's all.

Have I ever once said fire Gibbs? Nope. Have I ever once said I'm not going to support the 'Skins win or lose? Nope. Have I ever done anything to show I'm not a true Redskins fan? Nope. I have ALWAYS said Gibbs will turn the ship around. Find me one post or a portion of a post where I said Gibbs can't bring us wins. You won't find a post like that.

I have EVERY right to criticize Gibbs' decisions. Just because I'm not "sticking by Gibbs," meaning I'm not going to blindly concur with everything he says or does, doesn't mean I can't support later decisions. If he sticks with Brunell and wins, I'll admit I was wrong and Gibbs was right. I just don't see us winning until Gibbs changes QBs and I guess we'll see who's right and who is wrong. Right now, it's looking like I'm right.

[SkinsRock]

Originally Posted by ZackMills

What are we complaining about week in week out...poor clock management, use of our TOs, Brunell is clearly an awful awful QB, defenses know what we are running on offense. IT IS CLEARLY POOR COACHING. we have an amazing defense. what are we taught, DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. The 2002 ravens had an awful offense, and won the SUPER BOWL. we cant win a game. our offense, on paper, is not that bad. this "genius" was a genius 12 years ago. Today, his offense doesn't work, yet he still runs it. he's old, he won't change. he's stubborn. this situation is alot like penn state. we have a great defense, yet we still cant win because of a bad, predictable offense. we have a great, blue chip true freshmen on bench, yet we still game in, game out, play with our terrible senior QB.

I am sure that i am so angry because both teams are very similar and have potential, and both coach's primes have passed, and it just pisses me off.

Did Paterno retire and come back 12 years later? I don't really follow college ball, but I don't think he did. Plus, isn't he 15-20 years older than Gibbs? Gibbs hasn't done it in 12 years, so of course he's rusty, but that doesn't mean he won't get it back. Whatever you do, what would happen if you quit and did something completely different, then went back 12 years later? It would take a while to get back into it. Gibbs has already shown progress in game management and will continue, but truthfully, I don't think he will really be back in top form until next season. This year is for him to get back into the swing...which is why he hired Williams for the D to carry the team this year. We just need to have patience....but that doesn't mean we as fans cannot criticize things we don't agree with (i.e. Brunell).

[Paintrain]

I am fully supportive of Gibbs.. That means I think he is the right man to set the direction for the team and the level of professionalism that his team has lacked for a long time.

That being said, I don't know what he is waiting for to make a QB change. Maybe once the team is either destined to finish below .500 or is out of logical playoff contention (which is getting strikingly close) he will insert Ramsey to see what he can do. While I don't think Ramsey is 'the answer' and will magically make things happen, he cannot do any worse than Brunell..

For all the people who want to point out Ramsey from the Giants game, let's be factual about the impact that Brunell has had on the team so far. He has accounted for, directly or indirectly (teams scoring immediately after a Brunell turnover) for 41 points scored against the Redskins. 41 points scored against us are a result of his play. No team can be successful with those numbers. None of Ramsey's 3 INT led to a Giants score.

[offiss]

Ramseyfan is on the money with this one, I have said it for a while Brunell is the hold up on offense, I also said exactly what RF posted that Wilpon was saying, defenses are flooding the running lanes because they know Brunell can't get the ball downfield, and even if he hit's a pass here or there he can't sustain a drive, I also agree that Gibb's is having trouble admitting his mistake on brunell, I also think Gibb's is underestimating himself as far as his ability to get this team up to speed, he pretty much has done that exept for Brunell, and so long as he has Brunell in there he will not get the offense running like a well oiled machine, reason? You can't get continuity in the passing game if you can't complete a pass, I don't care how much time you spend playing together, gibb's will eventually make the change, and we will win but we are throwing this season away because of his stubbornness right now, Gibb's has alway's been pretty loyal to his starters but he never would have tolerated this kind of play by a QB in his first go round, especially when he has a QB of Ramsey's caliber waiting in the wing's.

I also like the quote about Brunell not wanting to get hit and his happy feet, sound's and look's like a guy hanging around for a paycheck, not a guy fighting his gut's out, unless he's fighting his gut's out not to get hit! :smashfrea

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

98 points (those scored by the Brunell led offense) - 42 points (those points scored off of Brunell)= 56 net points, or 8 points per game. WAY TO GO MARK!

[redskinsskickazz]

this is funny we do this every year listen to ourselves it takes time to build solid teams years not months and were getting better every week the reason the redskins have stunk the last 12 years is we lack patience can you name one team in the history of the nfl that has turned over its coaching staff and most of its roster every year and been a consistent winner we need to just ride out this transition untill the skins get comfortable and to qoute lombardi winning becomes habit instead of losing

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

98 points (those scored by the Brunell led offense) - 42 points (those points scored off of Brunell)= 56 net points, or 8 points per game. WAY TO GO MARK!

Thanks, you articulated my point better than I had.. He has led us to a net touchdown and two point conversion per game. I highly doubt that Ramsey would do that poorly..

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by redskinsskickazz

this is funny we do this every year listen to ourselves it takes time to build solid teams years not months and were getting better every week the reason the redskins have stunk the last 12 years is we lack patience can you name one team in the history of the nfl that has turned over its coaching staff and most of its roster every year and been a consistent winner we need to just ride out this transition untill the skins get comfortable and to qoute lombardi winning becomes habit instead of losing

In a few years Brunell will be wearing depends and crapping his panties every few hours. If it takes years to turn teams around, isn't it time to get impatient with Brunell and throw Ramsey in the mix?

[redskinsskickazz]

this is my take on why i think gibbs is sticking with brunnell i think brunnells skills have faded some since he was younger but i dont think there gone personally i think his biggest problem is an utter lack of confidence and that is something that can return with time in the system i also believe that ramsey has the same problem right now and gibbs believes that brunnell being a veteran is the most likely to get in a groove and start moving this offense i could be wrong but if brunnell stays the starter i think we will see a signifigant improvement the second half of the season (not that he could be much worse) my point is that brunnell was once one of the best passers in the leauge and seven games in a brand new system with an offensive coaching staff that has been out of the leauge for so long is not enough time to say with any certainty that he can no longer play in the nfl.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

In a few years Brunell will be wearing depends and crapping his panties every few hours. If it takes years to turn teams around, isn't it time to get impatient with Brunell and throw Ramsey in the mix?

Good point!

[redskinsskickazz]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

In a few years Brunell will be wearing depends and crapping his panties every few hours. If it takes years to turn teams around, isn't it time to get impatient with Brunell and throw Ramsey in the mix?

dont get me wrong im not a brunnell fan and i think theres a good chance that ramsey could spark our offense im just not ready to completely write off brunnell he was once too good. and some quarterbacks play well untill there late thirties or early forties but nobody has a crystal ball to see if brunnell is one of those guys

[offiss]

Originally Posted by redskinsskickazz

dont get me wrong im not a brunnell fan and i think theres a good chance that ramsey could spark our offense im just not ready to completely write off brunnell he was once too good. and some quarterbacks play well untill there late thirties or early forties but nobody has a crystal ball to see if brunnell is one of those guys

You don't need a crystal ball to see that he isn't!

[biggirl]

I am as frustrated as anyone, but I believe that Gibbs will turn it around...but it's not going to happen overnight. I have always been a Ramsey fan, but he might still be unlearning all the crap he had to learn under the ball coach. I think he will be the QB of the future, and I also think that future will start before the end of the season. I just hope he has lost some of the deer in the headlights look he got under Spurrier. Brunell looks bad...no doubt, but I have faith that Gibbs has a plan, and he will turn it around. Anyone that really expected he would come in and win a Superbowl was looking through rose colored glasses. I never expected more that .500 this season. So far, this is exactly what I expected. I expect Mark will be gone in a game or two. I just hope Ramsey is ready. :frusty:
As for this season, watch it go!

[LRT]

Here's my two cents...

The Redskins have some good talent, but that's been true ever since the Danny first opened his wallet and started mopping up the free agent market. But, talent doesn't make for good teams. "Back in the day" when Gibbs was first here, the Skins were rarely the most talented team in the playoffs, yet did very well because they were consistently the best team in terms of teamwork, cohesion, etc.

Gibbs is trying to build that sense of being a team into a much of free agents who, let's be honest, all came here to make a buck not because they love the burgundy and gold. Now, I think many of us, myself especially, underestimated how difficult this would be. I've never wanted to admit this, but we've been in the same lower realms of the NFL as the Bengals, Cardinals, Lions and Browns these last so many years. I thought Gibbs could come in and instantly turn us around. But, realistically no one could do that.

That said, even with the struggles, we are not far from being a good team. We're playing well on defense and we've shown sporadic flashes on offense. That makes the losing all the more difficult, because we're not being blown out by three or four TDs but are losing by field goals, for the most part.

This situation, I think, makes it natural and easy to look for the key - the one problem that if we can just fix it will make everything turn around. And, since Mark Brunnell has, frankly, played attrociously, it is very easy, and perhaps even very justifiable to focus on the QB position as the one source of trouble.

Personally, if were the Head Coach of the Washington Redskins, Brunnell would have been benched weeks ago. But, my coaching prowess is limited to Madden '04 and I have no idea what is happening in practice. Neither do most of us. Maybe Ramsey is struggling with the Gibbs systems in practice as much as Brunnell is on the field. I certainly wouldn't be surprised. Given the beating he took last year and Spurriers influence, I would have been surprised if Ramsey had been ready to start this season.

Maybe, Gibbs is sticking with Brunnell because he knows that if yanks Brunnell for Ramsey and Ramsey flops, then the same chants that went up for Ramsey may go up even quicker for Hasselbeck. I remember from Gibbs' first tenure the saying that the most popular man in Washington is always the back-up quarterback. So, if we bench Brunnell and then Ramsey isn't ready and he gets benched, what does that do to his confidence and the long-term stability of the team?

In any case, Gibbs can certainly be citicized, but at the end of the day, my view is that (a) he knows more about his players than I do, seeing them practice every day and (b) he knows a lot more about coaching than I've learned from my Madden '04, so, I'm prepared to trust him.

Lastly, I think that this is just a difficult time, as some else has noted, and we need to suffer through it. The best thing for this team may just be a difficult season that DOESN'T lead to in-fight and which DOESN'T end with wholesale personnel and coaching changes.

I offered two cents worth, but I think I gave four. Sorry for going on so long.

[MTK]

Great post LRT