Texas wants to rewrite the US History books

[SmootSmack]

Among all those, the one that stands out the most to me (and I assume many others) is not including Thomas Jefferson among writers influencing the nation's intellectual origins. That's like discussing art with mentioning DaVinci, science without Newton, literature without Mark Twain.

[BleedBurgundy]

Can no one be impartial any more? Does no one take the responsibilities that they are charged with seriously? It's a shame, which ever way you lean.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Can no one be impartial any more? Does no one take the responsibilities that they are charged with seriously? It's a shame, which ever way you lean.

It was never impartial.

His Story = history

The rich write the world's history. The poor write its music.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

It was never impartial.

His Story = history

The rich write the world's history. The poor write its music.

For fuck's sake, you know what my point was. The duty of those in this position NOW, is to be impartial NOW. We can't change what happened yesterday and beyond.

[Daseal]

When I think home schooling, all I can think are those poor brainwashed Jesus Camp kids.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Daseal

When I think home schooling, all I can think are those poor brainwashed Jesus Camp kids.

hilariously tragic documentary

[tryfuhl]

To tell the truth some of the best conversations I've had were with people that I couldn't understand. From the grandfather of a Macedonian girl that I worked with where we just kind of got what was going on, an Argentinean girl that rented a room for a bit where we'd sit there with a spanish-english translator book and Babelfish on the computer, etc. God that girl was amazing

[mlmpetert]

I havent read through all the posts, but if anyone ever had the chance to watch Do You Know What Your Children Are Reading by Tucker Carlson watch it. Its been a while but i believe there are 2 tpyes of formats that states use to make decision on text books. One is worse then the other, but they are both bad - i wish i could further elaborate. Basically big text book companies cater to special interest groups. Its pretty ridiculous how its all done.

Also for the record i usually disagree with Tucker Carlson and dont really like his journalism style, but this was a great program he did. Its slightly bias to being conservative minded, but plays into both liberal and conservative fears. Either way it will make you disgusted how much money we spend having whats put into textbooks and even worse what ends up getting put into because of special interest groups (both left and right).


FOXNews.com - The Trouble With Textbooks

[JoeRedskin]

1. IMHO - Some of the Board's actions appear to be one section's "spin" on history and some appear to be just plain fabrication of history (the Jefferson issue). As to the "spin", time will simply judge it as it will and soon enough it will be spun differently. As to the fabrication, it is inexcusable - both public focus upon and public ridicule of such ignorance is appropriate and necessary.

2. The "separation of church and State" is an established constitutional tenant. Period. Most, if not all, of the founders believed in the existance of a creator. Many of the founders were Christian and, certainly, the early population of the country was based in Christianity. Again, IMHO, the protections envisioned by the founders were, in many ways, seen as necessary to protect one sect of Christianity from another. At the same time, the brilliance of the principles enunciated in accomplishing this is demonstrated by their universal appeal to all religious interactions with the governing structures.

I agree with Schneed, freedom "from" v. freedom "of" is essentially the same thing. Thus, the langauge prevents the "establishment" of a government religion (i.e. freedom "from") at the same time protects the "free exercise" of a person's religion( i.e. freedom "of").

3. I would respectfully request that those here who disagree with the premise of a creator or the concept of organized religion not assume all who disagree with their philosophical beliefs are small minded and ignorant.

As an aside, at the fall of the western Roman Empire, it it was Christianity that preserved much of the ancient knowledge that otherwise would have been lost with the Fall of Rome. How the Irish Saved Civilization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Perhaps before you go blasting us folks who believe in "fairy tales" you might read some history yourselves. Organized religion's faults are many and well documented, however, it seems to me that its successes and beneficial effects are often ignored by those who deem themselves enlighted. (Sorry, I get tired of the smugness of those who accuse others of being small minded and ignorant while at the same time exhibiting, IMO, the same type, if not same degree, of small minded ignorance).

[joethiesmanfan]

As an aside, at the fall of the western Roman Empire, it it was Christianity that preserved much of the ancient knowledge that otherwise would have been lost with the Fall of Rome. How the Irish Saved Civilization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

That my friend is a fabrication.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

As an aside, at the fall of the western Roman Empire, it it was Christianity that preserved much of the ancient knowledge that otherwise would have been lost with the Fall of Rome. How the Irish Saved Civilization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

That my friend is a fabrication.

What, specifically, are you asserting is a fabrication?

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

What, specifically, are you asserting is a fabrication?

Did the Roman Empire fall before or after 1066? That my friend is when Christianity was forced upon the British by descendants of Vikings living in modern day France off the WWII famous coast of Normandy.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Did the Roman Empire fall before or after 1066? That my friend is when Christianity was forced upon the British by descendants of Vikings living in modern day France off the WWII famous coast of Normandy.

The ignorance displayed by this statement is proof of my initial point. Do you know when the Roman Empire established itself in England? Do you know when monastaries were established in modern day england? Ever heard of Lindesfarne (without googling it)? The Saxons were Christians well before the Normans landed.

Read a f'ing book idiot.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As an aside, at the fall of the western Roman Empire, it it was Christianity that preserved much of the ancient knowledge that otherwise would have been lost with the Fall of Rome. How the Irish Saved Civilization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

I'd probably say not to champion Christians and Catholics of those who saved knowledge as they did their fair share of destroying it as well.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I'd probably say not to champion Christians and Catholics of those who saved knowledge as they did their fair share of destroying it as well.

You sit judging and accusing that the fundamentalist religious right as ignoring history - yet then commit the same exact act.

Boethius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also:
"One of the great contributions of the monasteries was the preservation of
the learning of the classical world and that of the church. Learning did not
entirely die out in western Europe, of course. Seeing that the ability to read
Greek was quickly disappearing, the sixth-century Roman scholar Boethius, an administrator under the Ostrogothic king Theodoric, determined to preserve Greek learning by translating all of Plato and Aristotle into Latin. Only Aristotle's treatises on logic were translated, and these remained the sole works of that philosopher available in the West until the twelfth century.

Unjustly accused of treachery by Theodoric, Boethius was thrown into prison, where he wrote The Consolation of Philosophy while awaiting execution. This little work later became a medieval textbook on philosophy.

Cassiodorus, a contemporary of Boethius who had also served Theodoric,
devoted most of his life to the collection and preservation of classical
knowledge. By encouraging the monks to copy valuable manuscripts, he was instrumental in making the monasteries centers of learning. Following his example, many monasteries established scriptoria, departments concerned exclusively with copying manuscripts"
Christianity, The Church In The Early Middle Ages

Yes. organized religion in general has its flaws, some eggregious, as it is a human creation, but to ignore the benefits it has passed on to us through our history because of these flaws is just mind boggling .