McNabb a Redskin! (Part II)

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Draft picks retained: not relevant.

Colt McCoy: not relevant.

[SmootSmack]

How do we know the Ravens and Dolphins didn't also talk to the Eagles? I would guess that, based on how these things usually go, every team except maybe the Saints, Falcons, Colts, and Pats had some conversation with the Eagles. All teams talk all the time

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

This is the way I see the trade....

Campbell + Zorn < McNabb + Shanahan

Get ready for some differential calculus from GTripp how not only is this incorrect but that Reid + wet ham sandwich - the bite he takes out of it > Shanny + McNabb / Zorn's increased knowledge after watching Cooley's ankle surgery + a healthy sesamoid

[Dirtbag59]

I find the rumored trade involving Albert Haynesworth to be interesting. I was told by a Bronco fan that Shanahan has a tendency to run people out of town that don't agree with him. He cited Larry Coyer, John Lynch and Dominque Foxworth as examples. Of course do we know if it was the Eagles asking for Haynesworth and Landry or the Redskins offering them?

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

New thread, same topic. We were close to 1,000 replies in the last thread. Big topic, thought we'd start a new one so posts don't get lost:

Quick Thoughts-

-We didn't outbid Buffalo or Oakland. We had the upper hand because McNabb wasn't willing to go there and Reid showed respect for him by keeping his feelings in mind

-Talked to plenty of impartial people today who think this is a good move for the Redskins. By the same token, they agree that what other moves they make between now and the draft (including the draft) will be the better indicator

-Think people are really undervaluing Devin Thomas

-Mentioned this yesterday, but just a reminder that the press conference will be Tuesday at Noon

I think so too. But I think people are undervaluing Marko Mitchell even more so.

Im excited to see Devin, Marko, Santana, and hopefully Cooley and Davis and even Kelly playing with McNabb. I hope he brings the best out of all of them so we will know what kind of recievers we really have.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

In a playcalling syntax which overemphasized the pass and emphasized the big play.
But Shanahan's system requires big plays to complement a good-to-elite running game and shorter passing game so that the O becomes incredibly difficult to scheme against O. Henne, Orton, etc are not big play QBs. Smith is spread or bust. JC is inconsistent at best. McNabb is a consistent big-play QB. Philly lived and died by the big play, but why did they emphasize it in the first place when the WCO was historically more ball control oriented? Because their QB is better suited for that.

I don't know why you think that getting a QB who is incapable of producing when he throws 45+ times a game is so self-evidently awesome, and I think if you want to show that McNabb can benefit by inheriting a running game that, if nothing else, will take a lot of his passing attempts, you should try to go and build that case.

So far, I'm gathering that you think it's easier for any QB to be successful in the Shanahan system than in other systems. Anyone except Jason Campbell, of course, because that would completely ruin your already "interesting" argument.

I kind of agree with you that McNabb is a little bit out of place in the stat-inflating system that is the WCO. I'm sure glad that he's in a system now that has limited WCO elements. Oh, wait.

[htownskinfan]

I cant decide if I like this trade or not.This smells of the Brunell signing.Does Mcnabb have to pass a physical? Just cant believe philly would trade Mcnabb to us unless they know something we dont.If Mcnabb is 100 percent healthy then its a good trade for both teams,I dont think we gave up to much for him

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Get ready for some differential calculus from GTripp how not only is this incorrect but that Reid + wet ham sandwich - the bite he takes out of it > Shanny + McNabb / Zorn's increased knowledge after watching Cooley's ankle surgery + a healthy sesamoid

Don't forget the T-Analysis and six sigma reports.

[Audi]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I find the rumored trade involving Albert Haynesworth to be interesting. I was told by a Bronco fan that Shanahan has a tendency to run people out of town that don't agree with him. He cited Larry Coyer, John Lynch and Dominque Foxworth as examples. Of course do we know if it was the Eagles asking for Haynesworth and Landry or the Redskins offering them?

The segment I saw on ESPN said that the Redskins offered Haynesworth as part of a trade for McNabb and the Eagles declined.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I find the rumored trade involving Albert Haynesworth to be interesting. I was told by a Bronco fan that Shanahan has a tendency to run people out of town that don't agree with him. He cited Larry Coyer, John Lynch and Dominque Foxworth as examples. Of course do we know if it was the Eagles asking for Haynesworth and Landry or the Redskins offering them?

Allen and Shanahan both aren't afraid to get rid of people. I believe Landry and Haynesworth were part of early conversations, though it would have involved more from the Eagles beyond McNabb. Not positive though. This trade really snuck up on just about all of us here. We've been so focused on other rumors.

[Audi]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I cant decide if I like this trade or not.This smells of the Brunell signing.Does Mcnabb have to pass a physical? Just cant believe philly would trade Mcnabb to us unless they know something we dont.If Mcnabb is 100 percent healthy then its a good trade for both teams,I dont think we gave up to much for him

Mark Brunell was already well into his decline when we traded for him. McNabb hasn't shown he's in decline yet, hopefully it's not this year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

How do we know the Ravens and Dolphins didn't also talk to the Eagles? I would guess that, based on how these things usually go, every team except maybe the Saints, Falcons, Colts, and Pats had some conversation with the Eagles. All teams talk all the time

I think if someone like the Ravens or Dolphins started talking picks or players for McNabb, Schefter and or Glazer would have had the scoop almost instantly.

Kicking the tires is fine, and something I expected most teams to do. I think we went a little overboard in terms of checking all of our bases.

[Dirtbag59]

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post683036

More like some idiot that you know and share a couple of friends with.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post683044

Much appreciated C-Rule!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Audi

Mark Brunell was already well into his decline when we traded for him. McNabb hasn't shown he's in decline yet, hopefully it's not this year.

Look no further than the injury record for disproof of your statement.

All I'm saying is that the decline signs are readily available for anyone who's interested in looking at them. QB rating kind of obscures it a bit, but most other stats suggest that the decline phase for McNabb is entering year three now. Which means that the steady consistent production he's become known for is the next thing to go.

Again, you're not getting a prediction from me whether or not he will crash in 2010 or not. I have no ability to accurately tell you which players will have good years and which will not. I can tell you that the point at which McNabb can't even get an NFL job is fewer than three years away. He won't be in the league when he's 37, as he's just not that kind of player, physically.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I cant decide if I like this trade or not.This smells of the Brunell signing.Does Mcnabb have to pass a physical? Just cant believe philly would trade Mcnabb to us unless they know something we dont.If Mcnabb is 100 percent healthy then its a good trade for both teams,I dont think we gave up to much for him

The more people I talk to it really seems like Reid genuinely wanted to do right by McNabb, even if it meant trading him within the division. I think he was strong-armed a bit by the new GM and ownership to move McNabb (even though Reid does have final say, and it seems he would have rather moved Kolb...well probably Vick most ideally).

It also has me thinking maybe Reid figures this is his last season in the NFC East anyway