Day 2, rds 2 & 3.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

I want to know what everybody thinks we should do, me personnally do nothing no trades keep everyone we already have. Based on this draft there will be a decent amount of good players let go because some teams drafted best player instead of need IMO. Ala Buffalo, Raiders & Tenn to name a few they made good picks but they have adequate players at those positions already.

HTTR.

Since we won't be on the clock again until Saturday I'm going to get some work done around the house, listen for any potential trade opportunities and keep watch on a couple other players of which I have an interest.

I'm really not that concerned with what other teams do past the first two rounds. I'll just be content to read about it and not spend so much time watching.

[Gmanc711]

Really, Campbell is the only one I'd want to see traded. I think he'd be a great back up, but I also think he should be able to go do something and he'll be gone next year anyways, so we mine as well get somehting for him. We wont get value for AH or McIntosh, so I have no interest in seeing them traded. I guess if we were to trade a tight end for a 2nd (and only a 2nd, which I doublt we'd get), I would be OK with it, only because thats a position where we actually have two starters and one spot. Not saying I'd want to see Cooley or Davis elsewhere, but I would be OK with that if we did it to get back into the second round and take anotehr linemen. That being said, I dont think we'd get a 2nd anwyays. So trade JC for hopefully a 4th or high 3rd if we can, and thats about it. I'm not interested in trading away any of next years picks.

[KI Skins Fan]

Are you guys sure that it is within the rules to trade players for picks while the draft is being conducted? I ask because I can't recall seeing that happen.

Or, would this be a case where a deal is agreed to and the original team on the clock would select a player for the team with which they are dealing and then the trade would be made after the draft is concluded?

To answer the OP's question, if a player or players the Skins really want slips from second or third round to the fourth or fifth round, then I'd hope that the Skins would try to deal JC and/or Rocky for a fourth or fifth round pick to get the player(s) they want. I say that because it seems clear that JC and Rocky are not in the Skins' plans as starters.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Are you guys sure that it is within the rules to trade players for picks while the draft is being conducted? I ask because I can't recall seeing that happen.

Or, would this be a case where a deal is agreed to and the original team on the clock would select a player for the team with which they are dealing and then the trade would be made after the draft is concluded?

Yes. The Chargers sent the Broncos a LB in a draft trade last night.


Chargers receive:
» First-round pick (No. 12):
Ryan Mathews
» Fourth-round pick (No. 110)
» Sixth-round pick (No. 173)

Dolphins receive:
» Linebacker Tim Dobbins
» First-round pick (No. 28):
Jared Odrick
» Second-round pick (No. 40)
» Fourth-round pick (No. 126)
















I can't believe now many trades the Broncos did last night!


I am hoping that's us today and we can pick up some 2nd and/or 3rd-round choices.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Buster

Yes. The Chargers sent the Broncos a LB in a draft trade last night.


Chargers receive:
» First-round pick (No. 12):
Ryan Mathews
» Fourth-round pick (No. 110)
» Sixth-round pick (No. 173)

Dolphins receive:
» Linebacker Tim Dobbins
» First-round pick (No. 28):
Jared Odrick
» Second-round pick (No. 40)
» Fourth-round pick (No. 126)
















I can't believe now many trades the Broncos did last night!


I am hoping that's us today and we can pick up some 2nd and/or 3rd-round choices.

Thanks, Buster.

[Monkeydad]

Haynesworth is staying for sure now.

The Lions and Titans were interested and both selected D-Linemen. Also, Fisher said outright that the talks about Big Al are over.

[Dirtbag59]

I thought that with the QB's falling that it would be harder to move JC but it still seems like it's a sellers market for QB's, at least in terms of getting SOMETHING.

Who wants Jimmy?

• 34. Minnesota Vikings: Franchise QB of the future?
• 36. Kansas City Chiefs: Former ND head coach Charlie Weis is he new offensive coordinator.
• 38. Cleveland Browns: Lot of smoke-screens emanating from Mike Holmgren; how much does he really like Jimmy?
• 39. Oakland Raiders: Passed on a QB in the first, but still need one.
• 41. Buffalo Bills: Like the Raiders, still need a new QB.
• 48. Carolina Panthers: Belief now is that they might make a play for Colt McCoy; could target Clausen for similar reasons.
• 49. San Francisco 49ers: It was thought he wouldn't get past the Niners in the first. Will they move up to snag him now?

They can't all end up with Clausen and McCoy.

Also can we take a moment to appreciate the 49ers line? If you wanted to know how the JC experiment would have gone by just loading up on O-Lineman then watch San Fran this year with Alex Smith. Still it's easily going to be the best line in the league in a year or two. Also keep in mind that I said a few years ago that the Jets would have the best line in the league after they drafted Nick Mangold and Fergusion.

Anyway here's the 49ers line as it stands right now.

LT - Joe Staley - One of the better LT's in the league.
LG - Mike Iupati - I hate his holding habits but he's still got the skillset to succeed in this league at a high level
C- Eric Heitmann - Savy vet thats not spectacular but solid.
RG - Chilo Rachel - Former 2nd round pick. Has been somewhat of a disapointment so far but still has the talent to succeed. Maybe now he'll play better being part of a better offensive front.
RT - Anthony Davis - He had great potential as a LT, but as a RT...wow.

Oh yeah, they also have Barry Sims, Adam Snyder, David Bass, and the guy they liked from Ohio State (Alex Boone) as backups.

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I agree with that, unless we traded him for a pick in 2011, which just wouldnt make sense. Our best option is to keep him, hope he gets in line and plays well in the scheme. if he doesnt, we can try to trade him next year.

Trading away 2011 picks MIGHT not be the worst idea. I'm hearing that next years class will be weak because a lot of the best players came out for this draft thanks to pending labor negotiations. And at the same time I'm hearing that this is the best draft to come along in a while.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I thought that with the QB's falling that it would be harder to move JC but it still seems like it's a sellers market for QB's, at least in terms of getting SOMETHING.

Who wants Jimmy?

• 34. Minnesota Vikings: Franchise QB of the future?
• 36. Kansas City Chiefs: Former ND head coach Charlie Weis is he new offensive coordinator.
• 38. Cleveland Browns: Lot of smoke-screens emanating from Mike Holmgren; how much does he really like Jimmy?
• 39. Oakland Raiders: Passed on a QB in the first, but still need one.
• 41. Buffalo Bills: Like the Raiders, still need a new QB.
• 48. Carolina Panthers: Belief now is that they might make a play for Colt McCoy; could target Clausen for similar reasons.
• 49. San Francisco 49ers: It was thought he wouldn't get past the Niners in the first. Will they move up to snag him now?

They can't all end up with Clausen and McCoy.

Also can we take a moment to appreciate the 49ers line? If you wanted to know how the JC experiment would have gone by just loading up on O-LIneman then watch San Fran this year with Alex Smith. Still it's easily going to be the best line in the league in a year or two. Also keep in mind that I said a few years ago that the Jets would have the best line in the league after they drafted Nick Mangold and Fergusion.

Anyway here's the 49ers line as it stands right now.

LT - Joe Staley - One of the better LT's in the league.
LG - Mike Iupati - I hate his holding habits but he's still got the skillset to succeed in this league at a high level
C- Eric Heitmann - Savy vet thats not spectacular but solid.
RG - Chilo Rachel - Former 2nd round pick. Has been somewhat of a disapointment so far but still has the talent to succeed. Maybe now he'll play better being part of a better offensive front.
RT - Anthony Davis - He had great potential as a LT, but as a RT...wow.

Sure, most of these teams might want a QB but as I see it only 2 of them really need a QB.

Minnesota has TJ who has started for them before and possibly would have won the starting job had Favre not returned.

KC just spent all of that money on Matt Cassell and have yet to invest in his protection.

The Browns much like us have bought themselves some time by signing Jake Delhome

The Carolina Panthers believe that they have something in Matt Moore, otherwise why release Delhome. Don't feed m the Uncapped year BS there is more to it than that.

San Fran still has some faith in Alex Smith and they are going to give him another year to show up. Besides they have already passed on a QB yesterday.

So like I said, only Oakland and Buffalo truly need a QB. Truly only Oakland really needs one but Buffalo is the close second to the "need" category.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Angry

Sure, most of these teams might want a QB but as I see it only 2 of them really need a QB.

Minnesota has TJ who has started for them before and possibly would have won the starting job had Favre not returned.

KC just spent all of that money on Matt Cassell and have yet to invest in his protection.

The Browns much like us have bought themselves some time by signing Jake Delhome

The Carolina Panthers believe that they have something in Matt Moore, otherwise why release Delhome. Don't feed m the Uncapped year BS there is more to it than that.

San Fran still has some faith in Alex Smith and they are going to give him another year to show up. Besides they have already passed on a QB yesterday.

So like I said, only Oakland and Buffalo truly need a QB. Truly only Oakland really needs one but Buffalo is the close second to the "need" category.

If Buffalo doesn't get Clausen, then I think trading for JC might be a good move for them. I say that because I just can't envision Colt McCoy playing in windy Buffalo behind a suspect OL. Jason has a much stronger arm than McCoy and he can throw well against the wind. Also, he's much bigger than McCoy and has shown that he can take a hit - something that any Buffalo QB will have to do on a regular basis.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

If Buffalo doesn't get Clausen, then I think trading for JC might be a good move for them. I say that because I just can't envision Colt McCoy playing in windy Buffalo behind a suspect OL. Jason has a much stronger arm than McCoy and he can throw well against the wind. Also, he's much bigger than McCoy and has shown that he can take a hit - something that any Buffalo QB will have to do on a regular basis.

I dont see Campbell as being much of an upgrade over Trent Edwards.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Angry

Sure, most of these teams might want a QB but as I see it only 2 of them really need a QB.

Minnesota has TJ who has started for them before and possibly would have won the starting job had Favre not returned.

KC just spent all of that money on Matt Cassell and have yet to invest in his protection.

The Browns much like us have bought themselves some time by signing Jake Delhome

The Carolina Panthers believe that they have something in Matt Moore, otherwise why release Delhome. Don't feed m the Uncapped year BS there is more to it than that.

San Fran still has some faith in Alex Smith and they are going to give him another year to show up. Besides they have already passed on a QB yesterday.

So like I said, only Oakland and Buffalo truly need a QB. Truly only Oakland really needs one but Buffalo is the close second to the "need" category.

I disagree.

The Vikes have given TJ a shot and he did not keep the job. That's why they got Favre. I don't see him being a solution for a long term starter at QB in the eyes of the Vikings. Drafting Clausen #34 and giving him a year behind Favre and then turning it over to him with an already well established offense would be an ideal situation for them IMO.

I think the Browns signed Jake Delhome as a very temporary stop gap. It seems the best plan would be to draft a QB in this draft. Let me learn behind Jake for a season, or half a season if he falters early on, and then turn it over. I would feel much safer with Campbell as an option than Delhome.

The Panthers got rid of Delhome because he sucks, not b/c they have sooo much confidence in Moore IMO. I would feel safer about having Moore and Campbell instead of Moore by himself, who is an unproven players with the exception of a few good starts in relief.

I feel like there is a good enough market to move Campbell. I feel it would be best for him and the Redskins. I just hope it happens sooner rather than later in the 2nd round. HTTR.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I disagree.

The Vikes have given TJ a shot and he did not keep the job. That's why they got Favre. I don't see him being a solution for a long term starter at QB in the eyes of the Vikings. Drafting Clausen #34 and giving him a year behind Favre and then turning it over to him with an already well established offense would be an ideal situation for them IMO.

I think the Browns signed Jake Delhome as a very temporary stop gap. It seems the best plan would be to draft a QB in this draft. Let me learn behind Jake for a season, or half a season if he falters early on, and then turn it over. I would feel much safer with Campbell as an option than Delhome.

The Panthers got rid of Delhome because he sucks, not b/c they have sooo much confidence in Moore IMO. I would feel safer about having Moore and Campbell instead of Moore by himself, who is an unproven players with the exception of a few good starts in relief.

I feel like there is a good enough market to move Campbell. I feel it would be best for him and the Redskins. I just hope it happens sooner rather than later in the 2nd round. HTTR.

1. TJ did not lose his job, the Vikings upgraded the position. Once HOF legend Favre finally retires it is TJ's team again.

2. My definition of stop gap is different from yours. I believe that stop gap is a one year thing. I believe that Delhome has solidified the QB position in Cleveland for possibly 2-4 years.

3. Delhome does not necessarily suck, he had a bad year and got hurt in the middle of it. If he sucked then the Panthers would not have given him that fat contract right before last season. The Panthers obviously believe that based on performance that Moore has the potential to be as good as Delhome. Given that he is younger, cheaper, and the fact that it is an uncapped year it just made sense to release Delhome without a penalty.

4. There is a market to move Campbell but we would have to accept far less than what he is really worth. In my mind he is worth a late 3rd or early to mid 4th. Right now the market is trying to dictate more like a late 4th early 5th.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Buster

Haynesworth is staying for sure now.

The Lions and Titans were interested and both selected D-Linemen. Also, Fisher said outright that the talks about Big Al are over.

There were other teams interested, and at least one still is. I think we should know by 7pm

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There were other teams interested, and at least one still is. I think we should know by 7pm

7pm? 7minute rounds, so it's in the top 8 of the round? are you gonna start posting song titles to help us figure it out?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by credskinsrule

7pm? 7minute rounds, so it's in the top 8 of the round? Are you gonna start posting song titles to help us figure it out?

lol!