Lets keep things into perspective and not panic people!

[SBXVII]

Ok I'll be honest that was a long post from the OP, and no I didn't finish all. But I got the jist of it.

I'm pretty sure you saying almost what I was saying last night after I calmed down. I came here and saw the ..."Lets string Haslett and fire him" thread and could only laugh. Then there was the whole lets cut this player and the player cause they suck comments. lol.

We are 3 games into the season. We have a new HC, OC, DC, and all the coaching staff below them, new scheme on both sides of the ball, new QB, new OL, new DL, and just because they are not a SB team right now we need to scrap everything yet again and start over yet again.

How about everyone take a deep breath and calm down, enjoy or don't enjoy the games the team wins or loses on Sundays and allow this organization, coaching staff, and players to figure this thing out, bring in the right players, and correct the problems. How about we talk stability for a change. Give the team a chance to succeed vs. automatically labeling them losers and screaming to fire everyone "yet again" and putting people in place who will be destined to fail because there is no patients in DC.

[DCtoAZ]

It's hard not to panic when this team goes out and performs exactly the way we didn't want to see .. the exact same way we have dealt with for the past 20 yrs .. THESE types of games were exactly what McNabb and Shanny were brought here to avoid .. we are 1-2 and yes Philly is this weekend .. but if you don't think some of the mojo that was steam rolling towards this game is gone your nuts ... the Eagles are as Hot as they have ever been .. that crowd is going to be going crazy ... i knew we lost that game after 5 min .. it was just one of those lazy ass games that we do after big games .. i'm so pissed off at this team because i know they are better than that performance .. i hope they are as pissed off as we are ... all that being said .. this game is the season, i know it's early but think back to when the Giants were 1-2 and the Skins' were leading them at halftime and they came back and won that game and then went on to the Super Bowl .. this is our moment to knock the Eagles off .. it's just a matter of if we can do it or not ... god damn that Rams game .. God dammit to hell

[aceinthehouse]

Football is as much mental as it is about coaching and talent...

I knew that when we lost that Texans game,that this game was going to be more difficult to win.
Not because we lost to the Texans,but in the way we lost.

Not only did we have a 17 pt lead and blew it in the 4th Qtr,but we actually won the game on a Gano 52 yard FG and then the TO as he kicked it...then he missed and we lose.

Those kind of games stay with you, no matter how mentally strong you are.
Then we go on the road to whom we assume is the easiest game of the year and get surprised by how Bradford is playing and just look totally out of sinc.

I PROMISE you...we win that game against the Texans...we beat the Rams as well...

So now we find ourselves in a possible season turnaround or season ending game imo...

Do we come out uninspired and lay another egg,as Mcnabb being the only guy on the team who gives a damn,wanting to prove the eagles wrong?

Or do we challenge the Eagles and play the way we all know we can, like in the Dallas game and challenge every play and tackle well and make big plays on offense like the Texans game...?
Thus,pulling out a huge win and upset and turning our season around and going 2-0 in the division?

We will see very soon!

[Player_HTTR]

Its not like we played a bad team that over-achieved, we LOST to a bad team. There are some positives to take away from the games, but the negatives are huge. Poor game plan/play calling coupled with our "playmakers" falling short (pun intended, but not solely directed at CP). The same things we were not supposed to see under MS. They don't get a pass becasue its a new this or that. The head coach is supposed to put the best team possible on the field and win the games you are supposed to and a few your not. We SHOULD be 3-0, at 1-1 the team used there "get out of jail card" in loss to Texans. 1-2, losing to the Rams after blowing a win at home, is garbage but its still early enough to fix some things.

Now comes the real test.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Yeah I was never in love with the idea of Jim Haslett as the DC. I warmed to the idea when you looked at his Ds while he was in Pitt and I thought there may be a chance for some of that here, but at this point we just do not have the personel. I don't thnk there is a easy fix at all, and yes Haslett is definately part of the problem but he could be part of the solution if he can get this thing turned around. If not MS will fire his ass either during the season or next offseason.

Mike does run through DCs like nobodys business.

Where is GW when you need him? Oh yeah winning championships with the Saints.

[CrazyCanuck]

Even after the Texans loss I still thought this could be a playoff team... but not anymore. We are capped at 6-10.

But no need to panic people, we should be used to this by now.

Go back to whatever you were doing and I'll see you all next offseason.

[aceinthehouse]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Yeah I was never in love with the idea of Jim Haslett as the DC. I warmed to the idea when you looked at his Ds while he was in Pitt and I thought there may be a chance for some of that here, but at this point we just do not have the personel. I don't thnk there is a easy fix at all, and yes Haslett is definately part of the problem but he could be part of the solution if he can get this thing turned around. If not MS will fire his ass either during the season or next offseason.

Mike does run through DCs like nobodys business.

Where is GW when you need him? Oh yeah winning championships with the Saints.

I actually don't miss Gregg Williams at all...

For what's it worth,the Saints were awesome at creating turnovers,which this team is doing now with Hasletts new scheme.

But just like Haslett,Williams gets gashed for yards just the same. But these type of defenses are supposed to over compensate,by getting more possessions off turnovers and the offenses to score a lot of points.

The Saints won the SB because of their great offense and their ability to create turnovers and stripping that football

Not because G.Williams is some genius...

I mean after all...Jason Campbell greatest game as a Redskin, was last season against the Saints and the "great" Gregg Williams.

We actually would have won that game if isn't wasn't forthe strip ball by Robert Meachim on Kareem Moore's INT strip return for a TD.

The falcons lit them up yesterday...And the putrid Niners who were dominated by the Chiefs....were able to put up 20+ pt's against that "awesome" Gregg Williams defense.

I think Bradford NOW..is better than Alex Smith...

IMO...Gregg Williams is way overrated

You guys want a very good D-coord?
We should hire Marty Schottenheimer

Now that guy is good for the Defense!

Can't win the big game as Head Coach
but as a D-Coordinator...OMG! (and shanny on Offense)
This team would be awesome..

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

I actually don't miss Gregg Williams at all...

For what's it worth,the Saints were awesome at creating turnovers,which this team is doing now with Hasletts new scheme.

But just like Haslett,Williams gets gashed for yards just the same. But these type of defenses are supposed to over compensate,by getting more possessions off turnovers and the offenses to score a lot of points.

The Saints won the SB because of their great offense and their ability to create turnovers and stripping that football

Not because G.Williams is some genius...

I mean after all...Jason Campbell greatest game as a Redskin, was last season against the Saints and the "great" Gregg Williams.

We actually would have won that game if isn't wasn't forthe strip ball by Robert Meachim on Kareem Moore's INT strip return for a TD.

The falcons lit them up yesterday...And the putrid Niners who were dominated by the Chiefs....were able to put up 20+ pt's against that "awesome" Gregg Williams defense.

I think Bradford NOW..is better than Alex Smith...

IMO...Gregg Williams is way overrated

You guys want a very good D-coord?
We should hire Marty Schottenheimer

Now that guy is good for the Defense!

Can win the big game as Head Coach
but as a D-Coordinator...OMG! (and shanny on Offense)
This team would be awesome..

Gregg Williams made the Saints defense good enough to compliment their powerful offense. This year they are suffering from a suspect d-line (esp the DTs), they are thin at LBs, and are starting a converted CB as their FS (replacing Darren Sharper).

In past seasons I've felt that we needed an offense good enough to compliment our defense. Now that we have that, we've gone ahead and start with a brand new defensive scheme. Now we have a semi-decent offense to go along with our growing-pains defense.

[sportscurmudgeon]

The Bleeping Rams beat the Skins by 2 TDs and dominated the second half of the game and the way that all of this will be turned around is to re-sign Brandon Banks? It took me at least 10 seconds to be able to get my jaw back up off the floor after that...

Folks, the reason everyone seems to be so outraged today is that the expecations for this team were unrealisticly high to begin with.

Mike Shanahan is a good football coach - - but he does not have a magic wand.

Jim Haslett is a defensive coordinator who has had some good defenses and some bad defenses - - depending on the talent he had to coach on those defenses. This year, he has middling talent; it is not the worst in the league by a longshot; it surely is not near the best either.

Remember when Bill Clinton ran for Pres in 1992? His advisors kept reminding everyone in the campaign, "It's the economy, stupid."

Let me remind: "It's the talent, stupid."

The Redskins are not "talent-rich". Nonwetheless, they have more talent than the Rams and they should beat teams like the Rams on the basis of superior talent; so there is something else going on there. My personal hypothesis - - which I cannot prove - - is that the veteran Redskins players have lived in a pampered environment long enough to believe that all they have to do is show up against an "inferior" opponent and the "inferior" opponent will quiver in fear. Sadly, that usually does not happen...

This team will be in the upper echelons only after they purge the players who play inferior teams by mailing it in and replacing them with solid draftees and free agent signings of football players - - not guys with stats who want to be paid. The Redskins have signed a ton of the latter and rarely do they ever work out here in the pampered envrioment that leads them to believe they really are as great as they think they are.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Jim Haslett is a defensive coordinator who has had some good defenses and some bad defenses - - depending on the talent he had to coach on those defenses. This year, he has middling talent; it is not the worst in the league by a longshot; it surely is not near the best either.

I agree with what you had to say, however this is the part that really gets to me (about this whole situation, and not what you had to say). I feel that the team put themselves in a situation where the defense has no talent, because of the change of defensive scheme.

Right now it seems that the only player that has benefited from the 3-4 switch has been Orakpo (and you can add Lorezo Alexander).

In our 4-3 defense we had a really good DE in Carter, and I'm sure Orakpo would be just as (if not more) dominant if they played him at DE. You throw in Haynesworth in shape and playing his natural position (and Golston as the other DT) you have a monster D-Line in our 4-3.

Among LBs, Fletcher was a tackling machine and played the MLB position (in the 4-3) better than many in the league. I just don't feel he is having the same impact. Rocky has been better in the 3-4, but was a pretty good LB in the 4-3. We needed an SLB in the 4-3, and honestly that probably would have been our only major need in defense.

Laron Landry played out of position in our 4-3, and his play now has improved mainly due to that move to SS.

I'm not saying that I want Blache back, but I just feel that the team really shot itself in the foot by moving to the 3-4 when it really wasn't needed. If we had gotten a new DC (Jerry Gray or lure Mike Zimmer from Cincy as it was rumored). Our defense could have picked up where they left off and along the way try to improve on those issues they had, instead we are now learning a brand new scheme.

This reminds me a lot of the team that went 10-6 under Gibbs 2.0 and then for the next season he decided to bring in a brand new offensive system (Saunders) and we went 5-11 or 4-12 the next season. If it ain't broke (or that broke) don't fix it.

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

The Bleeping Rams beat the Skins by 2 TDs and dominated the second half of the game and the way that all of this will be turned around is to re-sign Brandon Banks? It took me at least 10 seconds to be able to get my jaw back up off the floor after that...

Folks, the reason everyone seems to be so outraged today is that the expecations for this team were unrealisticly high to begin with.

Mike Shanahan is a good football coach - - but he does not have a magic wand.

Jim Haslett is a defensive coordinator who has had some good defenses and some bad defenses - - depending on the talent he had to coach on those defenses. This year, he has middling talent; it is not the worst in the league by a longshot; it surely is not near the best either.

Remember when Bill Clinton ran for Pres in 1992? His advisors kept reminding everyone in the campaign, "It's the economy, stupid."

Let me remind: "It's the talent, stupid."

The Redskins are not "talent-rich". Nonwetheless, they have more talent than the Rams and they should beat teams like the Rams on the basis of superior talent; so there is something else going on there. My personal hypothesis - - which I cannot prove - - is that the veteran Redskins players have lived in a pampered environment long enough to believe that all they have to do is show up against an "inferior" opponent and the "inferior" opponent will quiver in fear. Sadly, that usually does not happen...

This team will be in the upper echelons only after they purge the players who play inferior teams by mailing it in and replacing them with solid draftees and free agent signings of football players - - not guys with stats who want to be paid. The Redskins have signed a ton of the latter and rarely do they ever work out here in the pampered envrioment that leads them to believe they really are as great as they think they are.

Yup. Well put. It takes a while to change the culture of a place. I do think Shanny is a tough enough SOB to clean house, and my hope is Allen keeps Danny in his place. But until this happens, we're just not going to be that good.

[TheSmurfs22]

Folks, the reason everyone seems to be so outraged today is that the expecations for this team were unrealisticly high to begin with.

Mike Shanahan is a good football coach - - but he does not have a magic wand.



Let me remind: "It's the talent, stupid."
~~~~~~~~~~~

Yes to all of your comments. Curmudgeon. So well said!

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

I actually don't miss Gregg Williams at all...

For what's it worth,the Saints were awesome at creating turnovers,which this team is doing now with Hasletts new scheme.

But just like Haslett,Williams gets gashed for yards just the same. But these type of defenses are supposed to over compensate,by getting more possessions off turnovers and the offenses to score a lot of points.

The Saints won the SB because of their great offense and their ability to create turnovers and stripping that football

Not because G.Williams is some genius...

I mean after all...Jason Campbell greatest game as a Redskin, was last season against the Saints and the "great" Gregg Williams.

We actually would have won that game if isn't wasn't forthe strip ball by Robert Meachim on Kareem Moore's INT strip return for a TD.

The falcons lit them up yesterday...And the putrid Niners who were dominated by the Chiefs....were able to put up 20+ pt's against that "awesome" Gregg Williams defense.

I think Bradford NOW..is better than Alex Smith...

IMO...Gregg Williams is way overrated

You guys want a very good D-coord?
We should hire Marty Schottenheimer

Now that guy is good for the Defense!

Can't win the big game as Head Coach
but as a D-Coordinator...OMG! (and shanny on Offense)
This team would be awesome..

GW is a very good D coord. He's historically had great defenses w/ teams w/out alot of names. Saints aren't a great defense but they do a good job of creating TO's.

[mredskins]

Take a look at the 2009 Jets season:

2009 New York Jets season - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


This is probably the best case scenario for this team this year and I even go to say just a playoff birth would be awesome.

Much like the 09 Jets season we are in a bump in the road but there is enough talent in the room both on the field and in the booth to believe we could make a run like them this year, not saying NF Champ game but at least playoffs.

[SouperMeister]

So Ace, do you think Haslett is a better DC than Williams? I've seen Williams maximizing the output of his defensive talent both here and in New Orleans. I have never seen Haslett do the same. I would love to be proven wrong, but I thought that Haslett would be the weak link of our coaching staff the day it was announced.