Portis heard his groin "pop" (out 4-6 weeks)

[44ever]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Wow he showed that for what a few runs against one team. I remember a running back that ran for over 200 yards in the SB and did nothing else his entire life.

So what are you saying here? All my statements were true. I'm not the only one that sees something in Torrain. In time so will you. He has shown as much as anyone else on the Skins did. It was a 1 quarter game for everyone.

I would be more concerned about McNabb if I were you. At the slightest bit of pressure he's throwing the ball at the ground.

I saw Timmy Smith too.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I dont understand the hate for Portis either...
The guy has stellar blocking skills and has shown a burst this year.
We had 3 over the hill backs on the squad and Torrain didn't even make the squad.
Even though I thought Torrain would have made the initial cut, I don't trust that he can be a starter in this league....I wish it...but wishing doesn't make it true...and a good GM should never put his trust in a wish. If Portis is seriously injured....we may be forced to make a trade for a decent back...because everyone knows....without Portis, we don't have a starting quality back.

I didn't see the first quarter...so I must be missing all the glory you guys are dumping on Torrain...what I saw was a back that didn't know when to turn upfield and make something out of nothing..and I really dont know if I'd get excited over 1 quarter of work when no team has game planned for you yet. I bet Portis would have done great this year if the blocking was there...that is the real issue...this team has only had 1 game with decent rushing numbers so far...so don't think the situation is resolved.

I like the idea of trading DT for a good back if needed.

And as for Gibbs ruining Portis...that's BS...he a RB...you run him till his tongue falls out when all you have is a running game....then you get a new one.
Remember...he got us to the playoffs twice. At least Gibbs USED all his talent...
Is it better overutilize your talent or underutilize it?
The current coaching staff has been a bit guilty of the latter.

It's not so much about people hating on Portis as it is the realization that all good things must eventually come to an end.

You won't get much of an argument relevant to Portis's skills as a blocker, but to be depended on week in and week out as your featured back, he has to maintain a combined skills set both as a runner and a blocker and be able to stay on the field. His assortment of injuries over the past few years are beginning to take their toll, it's evident his abilities as a runner have visibly declined. Again, not hating on Clinton, just recognizing the obvious, something I don't think is lost on him as well. Like many good r/b before him, they often find it hard to admit to themselves the fact their skills may be [to some degree] diminishing.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

It's not so much about people hating on Portis as it is the realization that all good things must eventually come to an end.

You won't get much of an argument relevant to Portis's skills as a blocker, but to be depended on week in and week out as your featured back, he has to maintain a combined skills set both as a runner and a blocker and be able to stay on the field. His assortment of injuries over the past few years are beginning to take their toll, it's evident his abilities as a runner have visibly declined. Again, not hating on Clinton, just recognizing the obvious, something I don't think is lost on him as well. Like many good r/b before him, they often find it hard to admit to themselves the fact their skills may be [to some degree] diminishing.

I agree. I think part of Portis's problem is the fact that when he first arrived Gibbs wanted him to gain weight. He wanted Portis to be a power back when in reality Portis was a shifty back. However Portis did gain the weight and performed admirably. Then when Gibbs left Portis was not the same after he decided he was going to lose weight and become the shifty back again.

I'm not in any way saying Portis sucked, just pointing out that I think Portis was forced into a roll he should not have been forced into then for whatever reason lost a step trying to lose weight. Perhaps part of it was due to age though.

[SolidSnake84]

This should be the end of the road for Portis. Everybody knew because of his declining production plus his huge bloated salary, that this was his last season.

Torain is ready to step into his role this season and should be our feature back next season. CP could stay here as a 3rd down back if he agreed to a salary cut (which he wouldnt, and if he got healthy.

But i think more likely the redskins let him go for a low draft pick 4th round pick, or something like that. I see a release possibly, if he wont agree to a trade, or if he refuses to sign a pay cut. Either way he is probably gone in 2011.

[freddyg12]

I can understand why some here are tired of CP, he obviously draws a lot of attention to himself. what I think comes off wrong is people that seem to imply being a 3rd down back means he's done. Kevin Faulk, who was never even a starter, has made a career of being a 3rd down rb in NE. He's 33 or 34!

If CP can keep his tude in check & play for a reasonable salary (he ain't gettin big bucks anywhere else) he could be here for 3-4 more solid years playing as a 3rd down back. He's as good as any in the nfl at picking up the blitz, he's a better blocker than our TEs.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I can understand why some here are tired of CP, he obviously draws a lot of attention to himself. what I think comes off wrong is people that seem to imply being a 3rd down back means he's done. Kevin Faulk, who was never even a starter, has made a career of being a 3rd down rb in NE. He's 33 or 34!

If CP can keep his tude in check & play for a reasonable salary (he ain't gettin big bucks anywhere else) he could be here for 3-4 more solid years playing as a 3rd down back. He's as good as any in the nfl at picking up the blitz, he's a better blocker than our TEs.

I agree. In addition, he is not a bad receiver as a check down.

I just don't know if he can handle the fact that he isn't the runner he was four years ago, check his ego at the door and get the job done. He's never (IMHO) shown that kind of maturity. I guess I think he is one of those "I try. I do what the coaches tell me to do. Therefore, when I fail, it's someone else's fault." Critical self analysis does not strike me as CP's strength.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I agree. In addition, he is not a bad receiver as a check down.

I just don't know if he can handle the fact that he isn't the runner he was four years ago, check his ego at the door and get the job done. He's never (IMHO) shown that kind of maturity. I guess I think he is one of those "I try. I do what the coaches tell me to do. Therefore, when I fail, it's someone else's fault." Critical self analysis does not strike me as CP's strength.

He's much more of a team first guy than people seem to think.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He's much more of a team first guy than people seem to think.

I agree. He will do what his coaches ask, always has always will and, usually, without too much of a fuss. At the same time, there has always been an understanding that he is "The Guy". One of the attributes that makes (made) him a great player is that he believes he is one of the best. I don't think that's true anymore. I don't think anyone believes that anymore - except CP. I am just not sure he can step down from that and acknowledge that someone else on the team can play his position better.

I freely admit I may be dead wrong on this, it just a feeling I have.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I agree. He will do what his coaches ask, always has always will and, usually, without too much of a fuss. At the same time, there has always been an understanding that he is "The Guy". One of the attributes that makes (made) him a great player is that he believes he is one of the best. I don't think that's true anymore. I don't think anyone believes that anymore - except CP. I am just not sure he can step down from that and acknowledge that someone else on the team can play his position better.

I freely admit I may be dead wrong on this, it just a feeling I have.

No, it was a yearly affair of whether he would play in preseason games. In games and in his head, he always give max effort, but he didn't mind half-assing it through practice, which in turn leads to weaker chemistry with the o-line. Portis doesn't do well when he is the unquestionable starter. He took full advantage of his "entitled" state.

He was utter crap last year. This year, they kept on prodding him under his ass with LJ and now Torain, and he was finally running well and like he gave a damn.

[mredskins]

Rumors swirling on ESPN CP is done for the year, huge blow if true.

[SolidSnake84]

Florio just said the same thing. Says Portis will be placed on Injured Reserve.

[MTK]

Man, we're paper thin at RB. Parker and Johnson are still out there right? Wish we could swing a deal for Lynch.

[cowboy h8er]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Man, we're paper thin at RB. Parker and Johnson are still out there right? Wish we could swing a deal for Lynch.

parker is available but johnson found a home in NY. and i keep hearing about how well betts is doing in New Orleans..... i think well be better if our O-line improves.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by cowboy h8er

parker is available but johnson found a home in NY. and i keep hearing about how well betts is doing in New Orleans..... i think well be better if our O-line improves.

LJ's in New York? When did this happen?

As for Betts, interesting read here (I don't particularly miss him)

The Canadian Press: Drew Brees can't say enough about RB Ladell Betts

[cowboy h8er]

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;743459]LJ's in New York? When did this happen?

maybe it was just a rumor, but i heard about LJ going to the giants with the recent unhappiness of brandon jacobs