Where was Keiland Williams???

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by mooby

I think coming into the game the Skins gameplanned as if the run wasn't really an option today. Like they knew going in if they we were going to win, it would be because the passing game worked. Now I know you use the run to set up the pass, and I know you don't abandon it when there's no room to run, but that philosophy has been obvious for decades now and it still hasn't stopped offensive coordinators from abandoning the run.

And for those wondering why it was Keiland Williams and James Davis, that's because those are our top two backs right now. Portis is done, Torain is out, Simpson is done, K.Williams and James Davis are now up to bat. That's why they were playing today.

I think Quake was trying to figure out why they ran with Davis instead of Williams, when Williams has at least shown he can make it upfield. Its like trying to eat your noodles with a spoon instead of a fork. You can do it if you work real hard at it... But don't expect it to be pretty.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I think Quake was trying to figure out why they ran with Davis instead of Williams, when Williams has at least shown he can make it upfield. Its like trying to eat your noodles with a spoon instead of a fork. You can do it if you work real hard at it... But don't expect it to be pretty.

That is the question for me.

[Beemnseven]

Okay, so Keiland had 3 carries and Davis had 6.

That's what has everybody upset tonight? Tell me, honestly -- would the outcome have been any different if those numbers had been reversed?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Okay, so Keiland had 3 carries and Davis had 6.

That's what has everybody upset tonight? Tell me, honestly -- would the outcome have been any different if those numbers had been reversed?

I think if Williams had 20+ carries he may have made a diff. I think he should have been used after that huge B. Banks return. That Vikes D stayed fresh all day long.

The point is Davis showed nothing where Williams showed he has something to build on going into todays game.

With that said, At least we got a look at Davis today.

I was more displeased with our inability to dump it over the anticipated blitz.

[MTK]

This is Kyle's offense, I doubt Mike has any game day input or scripts plays.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

This is Kyle's offense, I doubt Mike has any game day input or scripts plays.

Just about everybody scripts their first 10 to 15 plays of the game. Probably not Mike per se, but I would imagine Kyle definitely scripts plays.

[MTK]

Yes Kyle does script the opening plays, I just don't think Mike has anything to do with it.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yes Kyle does script the opening plays, I just don't think Mike has anything to do with it.

I don't believe Mike has anything to do with scripting the plays, but I'm sure he has some input into game plan strategy of the offense to a certain degree, albeit probably not very much input.

[Longtimefan]

This coaching staff shows the propensity to quickly abandon the running game when it's not as productive as it possibly could be early in games. Abandoning the run, then running play-action fakes is what's confounding to me. No defense is going to honor the fake when you've shown an inability to run successfully.

With the o/l being the mixed bag it has become, it's very difficult at this time to get any consistency going in either phase of the game. Last week o/l gets a game ball, this week further demonstrated the up and down nature of this team.

[skinsfan69]

You know it's bad when we're asking about a 3rd string RB.

[Pocket$ $traight]

I don't know if as a whole the Redskins were out coached yesterday. Now where I question the coaches and have consistently questioned the coaches is:

One, continuing to play Casey Rabach.
Two, misusing/underutilizing Haynesworth.

The fact is that at this point in the season, Minnesota is more talented than us and Favre did not give us any turnovers. We made more mistakes than them and we just aren't good enough to overcome that.

As far as the running game, I don't think we are ever going to be able to run consistently if Rabach is hiking the ball.

[30gut]

You have to run the ball with the RBs more then 9 times.
We have no idea how the running game would have panned out if we actually tried to run the ball.
We're an outside zone/outside edge running team (and the Vikings run weakness is on the edge w/ their Jared Allen and a back-up! LDE) yet we ran inside w/ our least experienced RB: James Davis when Keiland Williams was perfectly healthy.
But it either way 6 carries for James Davis and 3 carries for Keiland Williams is not enough to establish a running game.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 30gut

You have to run the ball with the RBs more then 9 times.
We have no idea how the running game would have panned out if we actually tried to run the ball.
We're an outside zone/outside edge running team (and the Vikings run weakness is on the edge w/ their Jared Allen and a back-up! LDE) yet we ran inside w/ our least experienced RB: James Davis when Keiland Williams was perfectly healthy.
But it either way 6 carries for James Davis and 3 carries for Keiland Williams is not enough to establish a running game.

Preach

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by 30gut

You have to run the ball with the RBs more then 9 times.
We have no idea how the running game would have panned out if we actually tried to run the ball.
We're an outside zone/outside edge running team (and the Vikings run weakness is on the edge w/ their Jared Allen and a back-up! LDE) yet we ran inside w/ our least experienced RB: James Davis when Keiland Williams was perfectly healthy.
But it either way 6 carries for James Davis and 3 carries for Keiland Williams is not enough to establish a running game.

I saw nothing to make me think that more carries would have made a difference.

Keiland Williams is not a starting runningback in the NFL (he didn't even start in college). We do not have the personel on the line or in the backfield to have a legitimate running attack. We certainly don't have the players to run on Minnesota.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I saw nothing to make me think that more carries would have made a difference.

Keiland Williams is not a starting runningback in the NFL (he didn't even start in college). We do not have the personel on the line or in the backfield to have a legitimate running attack. We certainly don't have the players to run on Minnesota.

He had good games against Philadelphia and Tennessee who have just as good of a D or better. By abandoning the run after 13 attempts you have no way of knowing or getting into a rhythm of the game.