Was Jamie Dukes out of line on Ryan Mallett?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I don't think it's all that racist, but IMO the point here is the double standard we see so often in today's society with regard to race issues between blacks and whites.

More often than not, if a white guy is referred to by a black guy as "white boy" or a white guy does something athletic and you hear "not bad for a white guy," most people don't bat an eye. Just like Jamie Dukes can call Mallett a white street guy, and no one outside the blogosphere cares.

But if Rich Eisen had called Julio Jones a "black boy," or street, hood, ghetto, nappy headed, or some other term of that nature, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be beating down his door.

Me personally, I don't really give a damn. Skin color has never really mattered to me. But the double standard annoys me.

Get used to it GM. America lives off of double standards.

[Eknox]

It's not racist when u hear him talk he does sound streetwise. Everyone's trying to condemn Jamie as a racist for that are you kidding me? He never even mentioned color. Racists are known to be very ignorant. I can see wrong choice of words. Jamie actually likes Mallett as a pro QB. So can we talk Football of move this crap to the good ole boy section?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Eknox

It's not racist when u hear him talk he does sound streetwise. Everyone's trying to condemn Jamie as a racist for that are you kidding me? He never even mentioned color. Racists are known to be very ignorant. I can see wrong choice of words. Jamie actually likes Mallett as a pro QB. So can we talk Football of move this crap to the good ole boy section?

I agree that this isn't worth making a big stink over, but to be fair, he did mention color. "Caucasian street guy" is what he called Mallett.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Eknox

It's not racist when u hear him talk he does sound streetwise. Everyone's trying to condemn Jamie as a racist for that are you kidding me? He never even mentioned color. Racists are known to be very ignorant. I can see wrong choice of words. Jamie actually likes Mallett as a pro QB. So can we talk Football of move this crap to the good ole boy section?

For the record you're the one throwing around "good ole boy" terms all the while being hyper sensitive. Proving my point for me? Methinks.....

[Eknox]

Originally Posted by GMScud

For the record you're the one throwing around "good ole boy" terms all the while being hyper sensitive. Proving my point for me? Methinks.....

If you're not a good ole boy why does it bother you? And what does that mean to you?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Eknox

If you're not a good ole boy why does it bother you? And what does that mean to you?

I am not a "good ole boy" (I'm a 32 year old northerner), nor was I calling anyone "nappy headed" or "ghetto." I was using those terms to illustrate the point of the racial double standard that you have so graciously decided to be the case study for in this thread. You're proving my point for me.

You take offense to even hearing the words "nappy headed" or "ghetto" (despite the fact that they weren't even directed at anyone), yet you think nothing of referring to certain white people as "good ole boys."

Thanks for proving me right. Next.

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by Eknox

It's not racist when u hear him talk he does sound streetwise. Everyone's trying to condemn Jamie as a racist for that are you kidding me? He never even mentioned color. Racists are known to be very ignorant. I can see wrong choice of words. Jamie actually likes Mallett as a pro QB. So can we talk Football of move this crap to the good ole boy section?

lmao..... exactly!!!!!!

[#56fanatic]

The remark really doesn't hit me as racist...hell where were all these people and "politically correct" crap when Jason Williams was being call "White Chocolate". No way that happens now. I think it ridiculous the double standard that exists in todays society regarding what can be said and what can't. Black guy says something and it is just laughed at. For example, Greg Jennings talking about Jordy Nelson. Stereo typing his as the typical white guy that can't run or can't jump.
here is the comment '

“I was talking to ‘Wood’ in the fourth quarter and he said, ‘When you see Jordy out there, you think, “Oh well, he’s a white wide receiver. He won’t be very athletic.” But Jordy sort of breaks all those stereotypes,’” quarterback Aaron Rodgers said. “I am not sure why he keeps sneaking up on guys.”

It says it was from Rogers, but it was Jennings who origanly said it, and Rogers came to his defense and agreed to the statement.
Now had a white guy said something stereotypical of a black athlete all hell would have broke loose.

[#56fanatic]

here is Jennings comment

"They underestimate him. And honestly, he uses that to his advantage,” Jennings said Wednesday afternoon. “Seriously … a lot of it has to do with the fact that guys look at him and say, ‘OK, he’s the white guy, he can’t be that good.’ Well, he is that good, he’s proven to be that good and it’s because of the work and the time that he’s put in – not only on the field but in his preparation off the field.”

How did this one go unnoticed? He is basically saying because your white, you can't be a good receiver. Well there are some stereotypical statements and racism in that statement, in my opinion.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

here is Jennings comment

"They underestimate him. And honestly, he uses that to his advantage,” Jennings said Wednesday afternoon. “Seriously … a lot of it has to do with the fact that guys look at him and say, ‘OK, he’s the white guy, he can’t be that good.’ Well, he is that good, he’s proven to be that good and it’s because of the work and the time that he’s put in – not only on the field but in his preparation off the field.”

How did this one go unnoticed? He is basically saying because your white, you can't be a good receiver. Well there are some stereotypical statements and racism in that statement, in my opinion.

Dude - what's the problem? Everybody knows white guys can't jump.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

here is Jennings comment

"They underestimate him. And honestly, he uses that to his advantage,” Jennings said Wednesday afternoon. “Seriously … a lot of it has to do with the fact that guys look at him and say, ‘OK, he’s the white guy, he can’t be that good.’ Well, he is that good, he’s proven to be that good and it’s because of the work and the time that he’s put in – not only on the field but in his preparation off the field.”

How did this one go unnoticed? He is basically saying because your white, you can't be a good receiver. Well there are some stereotypical statements and racism in that statement, in my opinion.

One, he's talking about a specific group: players who play defense.

Two, Jennings is talking about other people doing something. "They underestimate" and "Guys say" are the two actions stated. Who are "they" and "guys"? Players(mostly black) who play defense. What are they doing? Underestimating.

Three, the final sentence's point is basically that "THEY are wrong".

If anything, he's hating on black people if you want to put it that way, but that's a stretch too because he probably wasn't thinking in those terms either.

I'm tempting to blast out a paragraph about linking verbs and action verbs, but I think it is unnecessary.

[Son Of Man]

Asserting that this comment is somehow racist is, at minimum, a stretch. It appears to be a clumsily stated viewpoint of Mallet coming off as a little street (which some may view as uncommon given Mallet's skin color). The invocation of Eminem is corny, but far from ill intentioned.

BTW- There is definately a double standard on televison for racial toned comments (and gender related comments for that matter). It is a course correction (sometimes over correction) for the systematic mistreatment of those segments of the population. Black Americans were denied voting rights, basic civil liberties and discrimnated against in various other ways (didn't even mention slavery) - thus American society is hypersensitive to any comments that may invoke bad feelings or open old "wounds". Same goes for women who suffered through many the same hardships and still fight for equal pay and opportunities. Thus, the double standard for what comments are tolerated.

BTW- White males do not "have it easier" in America today. Our system is relatively fair across the board for males. However, if we take a total view of American history, we can hardly say the white males were somehow disadvantaged. (other than certain immigrant factions during the late 1800's and early to mid 1900's).

That being said, I disapprove of the race/gender card being thrown out when it is unwarranted. Regardless of who is doing the throwing.

[Player_HTTR]

Ahh... who cares, the description seems pretty accurate. No different than saying a black guy off the streets is "a African-American street guy." If he said he was white devil cracker-ass wannabe, then there might be an issue. Even if the white guy race card credit limit went up a little with a black man in the White house, they need to stay in the wallet for something bigger than this.

[MTK]

I don't think Dukes had any racist intentions behind his thinking, probably just wasn't worded the best way.

[skinsfaninok]

All I was saying is Dukes said a racist comment which IMO it was. I'm not saying he's racist but again if A white analyst said that he would be in hot water. Fair is fair folks