Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

DeMaurice Smith was just on Mike and Mike, the guy is a little weasel.
Mike was mostly pushing for an answer regarding trades and FA on draft day happening and all Smith would say is that the owners are losers and they lost in this they lost in that blah blah blah...what an annoying little lawyer twerp.

Well it wouldn't matter because it would be up to the league to figure out when and if trades would happen.

Honestly, at this point I just don't how much one could support the owners. Not that I'm going to blindly be behind the side of the players. But I feel that their insistence on continuing the lockout is affecting many people and the teams themselves.

Right now you have no free agency, preventing teams from signing players or dealing for players. Teams have altered their draft play because of no free agency. These two things are going to have a negative effect on a lot of teams, and not just for the next season I feel.

You teams with new coaching staffs that won't be able to gameplan and hold practices, which I am sure will affect the team's performance this season. Even with established teams like the Packers and the Patriots, I'm sure not having training camp is going to have an effect.

Finally, you have your run of the mill player and your average league employee who is not earning a paycheck and/or will need to take a paycut.

I know that the lockout gives the owners a bargaining chip, but they are screwing a lot of people, even their own league/team employees in the process. And for a number of franchise, they are sacrificing performance in the upcoming season and probably a number of seasons to come.

[NC_Skins]

I'm still dumbfounded by some people. The ONE time a American work force an incredible leverage over a greedy corporation, and many of you want to favor the corporation? ...lol You all should be applauding their ability to tell this corporation to go **** themselves. Corporations have been screwing the American people for a long time now, it's about time somebody had fighting power against them.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'm still dumbfounded by some people. The ONE time a American work force an incredible leverage over a greedy corporation, and many of you want to favor the corporation? ...lol You all should be applauding their ability to tell this corporation to go **** themselves. Corporations have been screwing the American people for a long time now, it's about time somebody had fighting power against them.

There was picture of Brandon Marshall's house on CNN yesterday.
When I see pictures like that I have a hard time agreeing with you.

I'm not enjoying seeing "the Man" get screwed if it means FA, trades and the NFL year is foxxored.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

There was picture of Brandon Marshall's house on CNN yesterday.
When I see pictures like that I have a hard time agreeing with you.

I'm not enjoying seeing "the Man" get screwed if it means FA, trades and the NFL year is foxxored.

I would say that players who make a lot of money such as Marshall, represent a small percentage of the people affected by this, when you add up your run of the mill bench warmer player, mid-to-low level league employees, coaching assistants, trainers, and mid-to-low level team employees.

If the league was full of players making Brady's or Manning's salary, it'd be one thing. But many people that are being furloughed, not being paid, or having their salaries cut don't make that type of money.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

There was picture of Brandon Marshall's house on CNN yesterday.
When I see pictures like that I have a hard time agreeing with you.

I'm not enjoying seeing "the Man" get screwed if it means FA, trades and the NFL year is foxxored.

So out of the 1500 players, you use Brandon Marshall as your example? For every idiot like him, there are many London Fletcher, Andre Carter, Phillip Daniels, Chris Samuels. Those guys are just magnified because it creates drama and drama sells papers and ratings.

*see post above mine in regards to discrepancies in the salaries*

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'm still dumbfounded by some people. The ONE time a American work force an incredible leverage over a greedy corporation, and many of you want to favor the corporation? ...lol You all should be applauding their ability to tell this corporation to go **** themselves. Corporations have been screwing the American people for a long time now, it's about time somebody had fighting power against them.

It's so clear where your biases lie, (i don't hide mine either) that the players could be 100% in the wrong, and you would still sing the virtue of "fighting the power". None of these guys (the ones pushing this fight) deserve respect because they all are self-obsessed ego-maniacs, regardless of the face they put on in public.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

None of these guys (the ones pushing this fight) deserve respect because they all are self-obsessed ego-maniacs, regardless of the face they put on in public.

I think we are in 100% total agreement here.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'm still dumbfounded by some people. The ONE time a American work force an incredible leverage over a greedy corporation, and many of you want to favor the corporation? ...lol You all should be applauding their ability to tell this corporation to go **** themselves. Corporations have been screwing the American people for a long time now, it's about time somebody had fighting power against them.

I find it a stretch to infer professional athletes as an American Workforce fighting a greedy corporation/system. We are not talking about teachers in Wisconsin or auto workers in Detroit. We are talking about elite, high paid athletes (i think the league minimum is 300k+) who want to keep a higher share of revenue than the owners want them to have. I don't have a dog in this fight but I think it far fetched for aither party to play the victim.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

I find it a stretch to infer professional athletes as an American Workforce fighting a greedy corporation/system. We are not talking about teachers in Wisconsin or auto workers in Detroit. We are talking about elite, high paid athletes (i think the league minimum is 300k+) who want to keep a higher share of revenue than the owners want them to have. I don't have a dog in this fight but I think it far fetched for aither party to play the victim.

I agree with this, but there are other people that make regular salaries that are getting screwed by this lockout.

Also, I still think that teams will have long term effects b/c they were not able to deal in free agency, have offseason programs to install offenses/defenses, and make draft decisions w/o free agency.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

DeMaurice Smith was just on Mike and Mike, the guy is a little weasel.
Mike was mostly pushing for an answer regarding trades and FA on draft day happening and all Smith would say is that the owners are losers and they lost in this they lost in that blah blah blah...what an annoying little lawyer twerp.

Gotta agree with this post here. He just comes across as an attention grabbing little troll. If the players want to keep the public on their side, they need a new front man.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

DeMaurice Smith was just on Mike and Mike, the guy is a little weasel.
Mike was mostly pushing for an answer regarding trades and FA on draft day happening and all Smith would say is that the owners are losers and they lost in this they lost in that blah blah blah...what an annoying little lawyer twerp.

Agreed. I am certainly on the owners' side in this, but as much is due to the fact that I feel the NFLPA top brass just feel like they can do whatever they want and blatantly lie about the facts. (not that the owners haven't stretched things too. ) Here is the wapo article with D. Smith's comments:
NFL lockout aftermath: DeMaurice Smith says there’s ‘chaos’ - The Early Lead - The Washington Post

“I read the commissioner’s [Wall Street Journal] op-ed this morning and my only conclusion is that it’s bizarre. To say that the players don’t want a draft and don’t want football...we didn’t lock ourselves out. We didn’t game the TV contracts to hurt us. And if he truly believes that the draft is something we’re attacking, then I don’t know what’s going to happen on Thursday, but the last time I checked my calendar, the draft is scheduled to move forward.”

The NFLPA lawyers most certainly are attacking the draft. They can't stop this one, because it was in the last CBA, but certainly the lawsuit Brady v NFL attacks the legal foundation of a draft.

I am in the extreme minority because I would rather see a whole year of no NFL and let both sides learn some humility (unfortunately a lot of good people would be hurt by that and that is extremely unfair when these two sides are both doing very well by all accounts)

[Ruhskins]

Interesting twitter post here:

"MarkMaske
James Quinn, attorney for players, said he thinks free agency should begin within 24 hours or he "would have concerns" about collusion."

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Interesting twitter post here:

"MarkMaske
James Quinn, attorney for players, said he thinks free agency should begin within 24 hours or he "would have concerns" about collusion."

Well sh*t gas up Redskins One...this is the part of the season where we shine

[CRedskinsRule]

@AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Players have asked Judge Nelson judge to force NFL owners to start the league year. Judge ordered owners to respond by 5 pm. tomorrow.

One question, and it is probably naive. IF the judge forces the league to start a "league year", and forces them to put rules in place to operate, then HOW can the owners then be sued for anti-trust violations. I simply don't understand the players can have it both ways: you can't treat us like a collective group, however, you must behave like a collective group, and once you do we will sue you because you are acting like an illegal collective group.

I simply don't get it.

[JoeRedskin]

I wish I knew. Not particularly familiar with labor law to begin with and anti-trust is a whole other specialty. THere are probably so many arcane legal rules at play here that it takes five lawyers sitting in a rooom just name half - not agree on them mind you, just name them.

I think ultimately, it will all be settled under the guise of a "legal fiction" which is the equivalent of "poetic license".