rebuilding or FA frenzy?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinster

I think its ignorant to think otherwise (even though I am aware I am in the vast minority). I can think of very few teams that were consistently average teams and then suddenly broke through to become top tier. These mediocre teams seem to all stay mediocre untill they suddenly drop to the bottom. I could go on for a while to tell you all the examples, but I'm sure you can look them up yourself. Being mediocre is delaying the inevitable of being terrible. Which is what seems to be happening to us now. Being kind of bad is not going to fix the problem. A true superstar needs to emerge. I think the lions and the rams are on their way to becoming legitimate teams. We need that superstar, and the best way to get him is with the first pick. Its very rare that Aaron Rodgers will fall into your lap in the 20's. The picks at the top of the 2nd/3rd round won't hurt either.

Let's look at the last three Super Bowl winners, shall we?

Packers - did not draft their QB in the top ten. Did not hit bottom, draft a QB high, and then win it all.
Steelers - did not draft their QB in the top ten. Last won fewer than 6 games in 1988. Did not hit bottom, draft a QB high, and then win it all.
Saints - their franchise QB was not even a first rounder. Hit bottom several years ago but used the pick to draft a role-player RB. Did not hit hit bottom, draft a QB high, and then win it all.

Therefore your theory is full of crap.

[MTK]

Moss has said he hopes to come back.

Sorry but rooting for 0-16 = retarded.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Moss has said he hopes to come back.

Sorry but rooting for 0-16 = retarded.

You think that the rams are happy they were last?

Or the lions?

Or the Chargers?

Or the Colts?

Or the Broncos getting elway (just saying that cause luck reminds me of elway)?

I don't believe luck to be an alex smith/jamarcus russell/whoever else. This guy is the real deal.

I guarantee you that if we get last this year and pick luck, you will look back at this year as the best thing that ever happened to the redskins.

Your god damn right I'd scrap one meaningless year (get real, we have no shot this year) to be successful for the next 12.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by skinster

You think that the rams are happy they were last?

Or the lions?

Or the Chargers?

Or the Colts?

Or the Broncos getting elway (just saying that cause luck reminds me of elway)?

I don't believe luck to be an alex smith/jamarcus russell/whoever else. This guy is the real deal.

I guarantee you that if we get last this year and pick luck, you will look back at this year as the best thing that ever happened to the redskins.

Your god damn right I'd scrap one meaningless year (get real, we have no shot this year) to be successful for the next 12.

I agree with you. Most fans will not root for the team to lose though. they feel guilty or something like they are not a real fan.

I never actually cheer for the redskins to lose but once it's obvious the team is going no where I stop getting upset when they lose...that's the best i can do.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by celts32

I agree with you. Most fans will not root for the team to lose though. they feel guilty or something like they are not a real fan.

I never actually cheer for the redskins to lose but once it's obvious the team is going no where I stop getting upset when they lose...that's the best i can do.

If the team is too good in its current state to tank, they shouldn't tank. BUT, I would absolutely condone a GM weakening the team such that team will suck if the god-tier prospect is available. I call it the Guy Lafleur snatch.

[IRISHSKIN24]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Moss has said he hopes to come back.

Sorry but rooting for 0-16 = retarded.

AGREED.....I couldn't stomach that.

we just need some positive momentum to start going in the right direction...hopefully that starts this year

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Moss has said he hopes to come back.

Sorry but rooting for 0-16 = retarded.

If you say you hope we suck this year, thats not a true fan imo

[drew54]

IMO they should only sign free agents under the age of 26 to long term deals.

It still stings that they waited a year to start doing this. Trading for McNabb and Brown were two deals that should have never been done.

Again, only way to go is up.

[celts32]

I don't like the term "frenzy" but I would like us to use free agency as long as we target mostly younger players. I believe free agency can be a part of rebuilding...it does not have to be cut and dry that you are not rebuilding unless it is 100% through the draft.

[redsk1]

Damn, this is turning into a Luck thread too.

I can guarantee it won't be a FA frenzy. The last 15 years hasn't been too kind on our FA Frenzy philosophy.

I really want to draft Luck. I won't root to lose. Well, if we're playing the last game of the year and we need to lose to pick #1, I'll root to lose for the overall betterment of our team!!

[SirClintonPortis]

What we need are long term assets that can give us a lot of bang for the bucks.

FA rarely provides such things.

Even in the archaic Madden 2002 franchise mode, the FAs classes have players that:
1. have low ratings and are more expensive than comparable players taken from the draft
2. have high rating but are old as shit(sudden retirement and decrease in rating in the future) and cost a crapton of money.
3. are cheap but have shitty ratings. But there's always some "steal" FB or TE. lol

Right now, the only FAs we should be looking at are the cheap ones.

[SmootSmack]

I dont have a problem with us losing if building blocks to our future are getting playing time. I would never root for us to lose of course. But if Hankerson, Austin, Jenkins, Capers, and Nield are out there playing and getting experience to make us a better team I'm ok with 4-12. If it's Roydell, Furrey, Maake, Hicks, and Holliday I'm not.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I dont have a problem with us losing if building blocks to our future are getting playing time. I would never root for us to lose of course. But if Hankerson, Austin, Jenkins, Capers, and Nield are out there playing and getting experience to make us a better team I'm ok with 4-12. If it's Roydell, Furrey, Maake, Hicks, and Holliday I'm not.

I'm totally fine with that scenario. They can definitely save face by playing these younger players - allowing them to gain experience and cohesion - while still making a play for a good draft pick next year...I'd be able to stand a poor 2011 campaign if it means 2012 could be substantially better. My only fear with this is Snyder. I'm afraid he won't have the patients to handle two poor seasons of shanahan.

Shanahan seems to me to be the correct guy to right the ship; however, how long can he truly last under Snyder?

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

Shanahan seems to me to be the correct guy to right the ship; however, how long can he truly last under Snyder?

When the PR is no longer bad...for Snyder.

[SmootSmack]

And if you are rooting for 0-16, we better not once next season read any comments from you complaining about how we sucked, or I can't believe we missed that block, dropped that TD, made that call, etc.