Report claims Redskins won't cut Haynesworth

[MTK]

I'm just tired of the circus, as I'm sure many in Redskins Park are too as well. We've got more important things to worry about. Get him outta here and let's move on.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm just tired of the circus, as I'm sure many in Redskins Park are too as well. We've got more important things to worry about. Get him outta here and let's move on.

Bingo.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm just tired of the circus, as I'm sure many in Redskins Park are too as well. We've got more important things to worry about. Get him outta here and let's move on.

But that's an emotional reaction, we're all fatigued by his bullshit. But we shouldn't let the emotion get the best of us; after all his feelings about the 3-4 are what's driving this whole thing anyway.

Feelings change over time. I remain convinced he'll come around.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

But that's an emotional reaction, we're all fatigued by his bullshit. But we shouldn't let the emotion get the best of us; after all his feelings about the 3-4 are what's driving this whole thing anyway.

Feelings change over time. I remain convinced he'll come around.

Honestly, I feel that even if AH had a good attitude about the 3-4, playing him in this system it'd be a waste.

I must say that you give him a lot of credit if you feel like he'll come around. Unfortunately I don't and if he stays it'll be a circus all over again.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Honestly, I feel that even if AH had a good attitude about the 3-4, playing him in this system it'd be a waste.

I must say that you give him a lot of credit if you feel like he'll come around. Unfortunately I don't and if he stays it'll be a circus all over again.

Agreed. The guy has shown over and over again both on the field and off that he has no desire whatsoever to be a good man or a good football player. He's got his money. What's going to motivate him?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Agreed. The guy has shown over and over again both on the field and off that he has no desire whatsoever to be a good man or a good football player. He's got his money. What's going to motivate him?

More money.

You act like he's not spending that giant wad of cash and instead pulling a Carson Palmer or Robert Smith and saving for retirement. With a yacht like his, you know he's blowing through that money.

I'm not giving him any credit as a person. I think the only thing that's going to motivate the guy is cold hard cash.

One of these days he's going to have to play in a dominant fashion if he wants another contract. And he will have to do it for more than just one full season in order to convince people he deserves a big payday. You know his agent is telling him that.

It's just a matter of whether we force him to do it with us, or allow him to do it with someone else.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

But that's an emotional reaction, we're all fatigued by his bullshit. But we shouldn't let the emotion get the best of us; after all his feelings about the 3-4 are what's driving this whole thing anyway.

Feelings change over time. I remain convinced he'll come around.

Well, he's going to need to have a massive attitude/effort overhaul, and win over a locker room full of players and coaches who not only don't respect him, but have been openly critical of him in the media.

[Longtimefan]

Players like Haynesworth are too well protected by the rules that have been put in place through union representation and CBA's. I well remember a time when he would not be able to play another down for any team in the league. The only contract he would see would be the one taken out on him.

[MTK]

The guy has no heart or passion for the game, I wouldn't be surprised if he's out of football completely sooner rather than later.

[Schneed10]

And you need look no further than Michael Vick to see that teams are willing to take a shot on a questionable player. He's out of football, you don't know whether he'll still have any athleticism, the Eagles take a chance with a $5 million deal and boom, instant franchise QB.

If Haynesworth continues to act like a bum, he'll still get a couple mill from somebody just on the off chance he might dominate. But if he actually dominates for us in the closing years of his deal? Someone will pay him a big chunk of change, guaranteed.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

And you need look no further than Michael Vick to see that teams are willing to take a shot on a questionable player. He's out of football, you don't know whether he'll still have any athleticism, the Eagles take a chance with a $5 million deal and boom, instant franchise QB.

If Haynesworth continues to act like a bum, he'll still get a couple mill from somebody just on the off chance he might dominate. But if he actually dominates for us in the closing years of his deal? Someone will pay him a big chunk of change, guaranteed.

His ego is greater than his Pavlovian desires. He thinks that he's the shit and that the 4-3 of the Jim Schwartz variety is THE WAY to use him, and it's 'his way or the highway". If he had any brains, he would have realized that he ain't the boss and that he wasn't going to get his way.

Vick underwent an entire attitude change in which he finally put the time in the film room and other areas and not just relying on natural talent. Haynesworth would probably walk in there thinking that he's back in Tennessee and back to doing "his thing", which includes him never finishing a whole season due to injury(for whatever reason) and embellishing injuries just to take a play off.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

His ego is greater than his Pavlovian desires. He thinks that he's the shit and that the 4-3 of the Jim Schwartz variety is THE WAY to use him, and it's 'his way or the highway". If he had any brains, he would have realized that he ain't the boss and that he wasn't going to get his way.

Vick underwent an entire attitude change in which he finally put the time in the film room and other areas and not just relying on natural talent. Haynesworth would probably walk in there thinking that he's back in Tennessee and back to doing "his thing", which includes him never finishing a whole season due to injury(for whatever reason) and embellishing injuries just to take a play off.

Vick had the attitude change because he sat in jail, unable to play football and unable to earn the living he was used to.

Same thing with Haynesworth. You don't need jail to accomplish the same thing. You just have to take the opportunity to deny him the ability to earn that next contract. If he's non-compliant, you deactivate him without pay like we did at the end of last season.

Human nature is what it is. Sure he's a piece of crap, but he's still motivated by something.

Keep in mind that as soon as he ends up on a team in a 4-3 defense, he'll turn it on and dominate. Can you in good conscience let that happen? I could accept it if we got a high pick in return, but we all know that's not going to happen. Might as well sit on him.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Vick had the attitude change because he sat in jail, unable to play football and unable to earn the living he was used to.

Same thing with Haynesworth. You don't need jail to accomplish the same thing. You just have to take the opportunity to deny him the ability to earn that next contract. If he's non-compliant, you deactivate him without pay like we did at the end of last season.

Human nature is what it is. Sure he's a piece of crap, but he's still motivated by something.

Keep in mind that as soon as he ends up on a team in a 4-3 defense, he'll turn it on and dominate. Can you in good conscience let that happen? I could accept it if we got a high pick in return, but we all know that's not going to happen. Might as well sit on him.

At this point I don't see how the team can keep him on the roster without paying him. He would be a waste of time (the media circus), a waste of roster space, and a waste of money. I really don't care if he goes somewhere else and starts to dominate (we've seen plenty of that already anyway). The team made a mistake in getting him in the first place and they just need to move on. I would rather have the team/fans/sports media focus on other things instead of hearing about this guy for another season.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

At this point I don't see how the team can keep him on the roster without paying him. He would be a waste of time (the media circus), a waste of roster space, and a waste of money. I really don't care if he goes somewhere else and starts to dominate (we've seen plenty of that already anyway). The team made a mistake in getting him in the first place and they just need to move on. I would rather have the team/fans/sports media focus on other things instead of hearing about this guy for another season.

Every decision has a cost/benefit:

Costs of Keeping Him:
- 1 roster spot, the value of which is determined by how deep our team is. If our 53rd man sucks balls like he did last season, then there's really not much of a cost here.

- Salary and cap space, which at this point is relatively small

- Media headaches, which I think is overblown. What had more to do with our W/L record last year, the media asking questions about Haynesworth or our terrible transition to the 3-4 defense and terrible QB play?

Benefits of Keeping Him:
- keep him off opposing teams

- nowhere to go but up in terms of production, WAY up

- setting a tone for the team that you're not going to pout your way out of town, if you want to earn your next contract, you'll have to honor your first one.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Vick had the attitude change because he sat in jail, unable to play football and unable to earn the living he was used to.

Same thing with Haynesworth. You don't need jail to accomplish the same thing. You just have to take the opportunity to deny him the ability to earn that next contract. If he's non-compliant, you deactivate him without pay like we did at the end of last season.

Human nature is what it is. Sure he's a piece of crap, but he's still motivated by something.

Keep in mind that as soon as he ends up on a team in a 4-3 defense, he'll turn it on and dominate. Can you in good conscience let that happen? I could accept it if we got a high pick in return, but we all know that's not going to happen. Might as well sit on him.

No, Haynesworth holds the BELIEF that he's some godly player who can dictate what is best for him and that he has been "wronged"(i.e pulling out the slavery card), and I speculate that he holds his belief on a sacred level like some activists for various causes.

I don't give a shit about the 2 years he MIGHT dominate under whoever decides to adopt the "AH freelances, everyone else sticks to the book", IF there's anyone willing to do that aside from the guy who has Suh to work with. He's at the age where the wear and tear WILL catch up to him, and he will then fade away. What he does has no bearing on us except in the games he plays against us, and in either case, we'll be the "winners" in the end. We beat his team in the games, we show that we don't "need" him". He beats us? He only assists us in securing another 1st round stud. What he does to the other 14-15 teams on his team's schedule for the next two years? I don't give a shit as long as that team beats Dallas.