A Clarification on whether the Redskins are Re-Building

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Why?

Because if everybody says rebuilding it suggests a problem in the way that I presented the evidence. I was trying to evaluate, not persuade.

[NYCskinfan82]

We need to look on our roster & see how many other team 1st rd picks we have. What did we give up to get them next to nothing most of the time. 2013-14 picks are gone IMO we need to stop crying about it. We have our QB now so we are rebuilding officially. Hopefully we trade back a few times and find a few Diamonds in the rough in the 5th thru 7th round. We have 5 or 6 picks hopefully we can turn them into 8 to 10. Last year spoiled me.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

So they aren't rebuilding? Or you don't expect RG3 to live up to the no. 2 pick (at least right away)?

I think it's a bit of both, I do think griff will be a great qb but I obviously see some hard times next year. I'd be happy with 7-8 wins. But I don't think mike is really rebuilding do you?

[Lotus]

Please define "rebuilding," because we can't really talk about the thread question without talking about the same thing.

If we go with a definition of "significant roster overhaul primarily during the offseason in an attempt to get younger," then spring 2011 we were rebuilding the defense and to a lesser extent the offense. In spring 2012 we seem to be rebuilding the offense by this definition.

Since rebuilding, in this definition, is primarily an offseason affair, we see that by August 2012 we will have substantially rebuilt both sides of the ball. Therefore an expectation of being competitive in the 2012 season and competitive to a greater extent beyond 2012 is fair.

My take on things.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Finally, do you think the Redskins even know if they're rebuilding or not? It seems like they could spin it either way at this point (lose = rebuilding, win = future is now!). I personally am tired of the front office spin though, I'd rather get YOUR perspective. So have at it.

Imo, when your HC is also your GM the FO will sometimes operate at cross purposes.
The resulting schizophrenic personnel decisions can impede the team building process.
That doesn't mean that the team cannot be successful.
I've always felt the saving grace for Mike Shanahan the GM is the acumen of Mike Shanahan the coach.
What I've heard and observed from Mike Shanahan suggest to me that like most coaches, he will always believe any team that he coaches can win now.

or the more direct answer: not rebuilding

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Imo, when your HC is also your GM the FO will sometimes operate at cross purposes.
The resulting schizophrenic personnel decisions can impede the team building process.
That doesn't mean that the team cannot be successful.
I've always felt the saving grace for Mike Shanahan the GM is the acumen of Mike Shanahan the coach.
What I've heard and observed from Mike Shanahan suggest to me that like most coaches, he will always believe any team that he coaches can win now.

or the more direct answer: not rebuilding

I agree, though I think if the team had gotten pre-2006 Mike Shanahan instead of what we've had on the sideline the last two years, its very possible (maybe probable) that we'd have at least a winning season with him.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I agree, though I think if the team had gotten pre-2006 Mike Shanahan instead of what we've had on the sideline the last two years, its very possible (maybe probable) that we'd have at least a winning season with him.

Good point that leads to a whole other discussion about the differences between Kyle and Mike as playcallers that most turn a blind eye towards.

As a huge fan of the Mike Shanahan's Denver WCO, I feel confident in saying that Kyle and Mike, although they coach in the same system, same scheme, are fundamentally different playcallers.

Not to say that Kyle is a bad playcaller, I don't think he is, but for my money I have very little doubt that Mike Shanahan's run centered focus as the primary playcaller would have netted in different on the field results.

(Flame suit on) I know it pointless to mention but I will always wonder whether the conflict between Kyle and McNabb would have occured between Mike and McNabb, I don't think it would've.
But, I digress....

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Rome wasn't built in a day. One day we will look back and say the same thin about the 2015 Super Bowl championship redskins.

[Chico23231]

Tripp, they are still rebuilding. Even though it is an all in move to get RG3, its the most important piece of the puzzle. This is not a questionable move. This isnt Locker at 8, this isnt Jamarcus at 1, or Tannehill at 4. This is not a reach. Is it a sure thing? Absolutely not. But it is a necessary risk and a perceived great move by mostly everything I read and heard. Thats what's your question is really about.

Please dont expect 30 tds, thats retarded. But I will say this, if we get a Cam-like year from RG3 we are a 10 win team my friend.

Yeah we are not giving stupid ass contracts to guys over 27 or whatever the age is, but getting our cap/contract situation is a strength. You know the great thing about the CBA, top 10 picks money-wise doesnt matter, doesnt hurt us financially one bit if RG3 doesnt pan.

[skinsguy]

Why worry about labeling it as rebuilding or not? Call it whatever you want. All I care is that the team heads in the right direction.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Why worry about labeling it as rebuilding or not? Call it whatever you want. All I care is that the team heads in the right direction.

ditto

[REDSKINS4ever]

I don't call it rebuilding. Shanahan and Allen have retooled an once aging roster and made it younger by adding key players here and there. This team will keep getting younger as it gets better.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

I don't call it rebuilding. Shanahan and Allen have retooled an once aging roster and made it younger by adding key players here and there. This team will keep getting younger as it gets better.

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[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

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That's one of my all time favorite movies.

Anyway. I don't consider it re-building... To me re-building is when you're missing major parts (QBs, RBs, WRs, etc) or after you've completely blown up the team (i.e. Colts).

Feels like we're just adding a few missing pieces. I feel like last year we could've been good, if we had had just 2 or 3 more valuable positions filled properly... And some o-line depth.

[redskinsflow]

Young QB, and a lot of new WR's I say we are rebuilding its somewhat similar to the 49ers.