Joe Gibbs and Veteran QB's

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I would also say the 87 team was simply great coaching as well because that was not one of the better Redskin Super Bowl teams. I remember the scab game when Dallas had a lot of their players cross the picket line... and play the final scab game. The Skins had 100% scabs and won the game because Gibbs and Pettibone simply out coached Dallas and Tom Landry. I remember Ed Rubbert (sp) got hurt and Tony Robinson, who had just gotten out of jail was running the wishbone. To me that was the best pure coaching I have ever seen. I think Danny White, Tony Dorsett and a few other starters managed like 7 points against our scab defense.

Dunno why the writers had to make the game in the movie so convoluted. The real game was exciting enough!

[JoeRedskin]

I am convinced that had Gibbs come back after his playoff season, he would have gone deep in the play offs and possibly a SB. Under Zorn, that team went 6-0, but then fell apart for a whole host of reasons - most of which Gibbs would have avoided.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I am convinced that had Gibbs come back after his playoff season, he would have gone deep in the play offs and possibly a SB. Under Zorn, that team went 6-0, but then fell apart for a whole host of reasons - most of which Gibbs would have avoided.

Maybe.

I thought these things sunk Zorn after we went 6-2: 1. Pittsburgh, and then everybody else figured out our offense plays, and Zorn didn't adjust enough. 2. In addition to figuring out our scheme, opponents stacked guys in the box to stop Portis and dared Campbell to beat them (he couldn't). 3. Our old OL gave out in the 2nd half of the season. 4. Blanche was a downgrade from Gregg Williams.

[SFREDSKIN]

**** those ESPN wankers voting Joe Gibbs #9 on the bullshit poll.
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[irish]

Gibbs 1.0 was fantastic. Gibbs 2.0 was a disaster that the organization is only now getting out from under. You cant infer anything about Gibbs 1.0 by looking at Gibbs 2.0.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by irish

Gibbs 1.0 was fantastic. Gibbs 2.0 was a disaster that the organization is only now getting out from under. You cant infer anything about Gibbs 1.0 by looking at Gibbs 2.0.

If disasters make the playoffs in their final season as head coach, what does that make Zorn's tenure?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mooby

If disasters make the playoffs in their final season as head coach, what does that make Zorn's tenure?

How dare you besmirch the Slip 'n Slide Express! The swinging gate will rise again!

[irish]

Originally Posted by mooby

If disasters make the playoffs in their final season as head coach, what does that make Zorn's tenure?

Sure they make a playoff appearance but Gibbs gave away the farm draft pick wise and gave away the future. That playoff appearance had waaaaay more to do with the emotion over ST's death than anything Gibbs did.

Zorn's tenure was a total joke.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

Sure they make a playoff appearance but Gibbs gave away the farm draft pick wise and gave away the future. That playoff appearance had waaaaay more to do with the emotion over ST's death than anything Gibbs did.

Zorn's tenure was a total joke.

Gibbs always succeeded at keeping the ship together and focused in times of adversity. I definitely think his leadership and guidance played a key part in that season.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by irish

Gibbs 1.0 was fantastic. Gibbs 2.0 was a disaster that the organization is only now getting out from under. You cant infer anything about Gibbs 1.0 by looking at Gibbs 2.0.

I am just wondering, if Gibbs 2.0 was a disaster, what was Spurrier/Snyder/Cerrato? Is there something worse than disaster? Gibbs 2.0 inherited one of the all time worst Redskins teams in the history of the Redskins and made them a playoff team.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by irish

Gibbs 1.0 was fantastic. Gibbs 2.0 was a disaster that the organization is only now getting out from under. You cant infer anything about Gibbs 1.0 by looking at Gibbs 2.0.

WOW.
You do realize that in the last 4 years since Gibbs 2.0 the skins have finished in 4th place in the NFC east...during Gibbs 2.0, he led a very mediocre team to 2 playoffs and their only playoff victory in this Millennium?

What other coach has recently taken his Redskins team to the playoffs 50% of the time?
You got it....Joe Gibbs 1.0

Not Shanny, Not Norv, Not Zorn or Spurrier (obviously), not Pardee, not Shottenheimer, only George Allen matched the success of Gibbs 2.0.
Other than that you'd have to go back to when the Wizard of Oz was cutting edge. That was Ray Flaherty, the only other Redskins coach to go to the playoffs 50% of the time And win multiple championships. Even Lombardi couldn't get the Skins in the playoffs.

Gibbs is a winner, plain and simple...and it was a joy when he was hired again and brought respectability back to the team while Vinny was here, if you recall.

I am sick and tired of hearing how crappy Gibbs was when he returned.
He had a foolish owner, a horrible GM, at best an average team, a backup quarterback and still had them "fight their guts out" for him.

Do you realize that prior to this year, in the last 19 years since Gibbs 1.0 we only went to the playoffs ONCE excluding Gibbs 2.0?

Name me a better Redskins coach than Gibbs 2.0...I am willing to listen.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

WOW.
You do realize that in the last 4 years since Gibbs 2.0 the skins have finished in 4th place in the NFC east...during Gibbs 2.0, he led a very mediocre team to 2 playoffs and their only playoff victory in this Millennium?

What other coach has recently taken his Redskins team to the playoffs 50% of the time?
You got it....Joe Gibbs 1.0

Not Shanny, Not Norv, Not Zorn or Spurrier (obviously), not Pardee, not Shottenheimer, only George Allen matched the success of Gibbs 2.0.
Other than that you'd have to go back to when the Wizard of Oz was cutting edge. That was Ray Flaherty, the only other Redskins coach to go to the playoffs 50% of the time And win multiple championships. Even Lombardi couldn't get the Skins in the playoffs.

Gibbs is a winner, plain and simple...and it was a joy when he was hired again and brought respectability back to the team while Vinny was here, if you recall.

I am sick and tired of hearing how crappy Gibbs was when he returned.
He had a foolish owner, a horrible GM, at best an average team, a backup quarterback and still had them "fight their guts out" for him.

Do you realize that prior to this year, in the last 19 years since Gibbs 1.0 we only went to the playoffs ONCE excluding Gibbs 2.0?

Name me a better Redskins coach than Gibbs 2.0...I am willing to listen.

True.

[MTK]

Yeah those two playoff appearances sure sucked.

[53Fan]

I certainly wasn't impressed with some of the trades that took place during Gibbs II but my gosh....the man was out of coaching for years. He came in to a team basically put together by bugeyed Vinny and Snyder. Our best player was murdered during the season. And in 2 of his 4 years here he led the team to the playoffs. If it was so damn easy how come we only went once between Gibbs I and II?

[SFREDSKIN]

What pisses me off is that Bill Walsh and the WestCoast offense get too much credit. The Redskins, Cowboys and Rams of the 80's and 90's won 7 SB championships using the Air Coryell offense. The Giants and Patriots use the Erhardt-Perkins offense and won 5 SB's (not counting sure Coughlin runs, otherwise it's 7).