Redskins "Name Change" Volume 10000000

[mooby]

The more this issue gets brought up, the more I am getting heated about it. It's to the point where I don't even care about the intentions of the name anymore, I feel like people/media are hopping on the bandwagon because it's the trendy thing to do. And that pisses me off, if the name is going to be changed it should be because the majority of American Indian people are opposed to it, not because some dingleberry sports writer announces their intentions to stop using the name in protest (and thus gain more attention for hopping on the bandwagon early, just so they can feel good about themselves for "making a difference" later.)

If mothereffers cared about American Indians today, they wouldn't be out here fighting the name of a sports team, they'd be in the American Indian communities, helping with their societal problems, aka lack of education, prominent criminal culture amongst their youth, etc.

Another thing I dislike is the fact that this is only happening because the Redskins are relevant again. When we were irrelevant, and weren't being discussed that much in the national media, only the lawsuit holders cared about this, and now that we're in the news everyday for RG3 reports and the like, we're seeing all these random media members pop out of the woodworks and announce their intention to stop using the name. It's pretty annoying tbh, but the more people call it derogatory, the more press this issue receives, and in the end once the majority of public opinion is that the name is offensive, someone with a big enough shoe is going to step on Dan Snyder's toes until the name is changed. And that's why I've come to the conclusion that I'm going to have to accept that the name is going to be changed, it's not a matter of if, but a matter of when. And with all that said, at the end of the day I'm still going to love this team no matter the name. But damn if I'm not going to defend our right to use it up until the end.

[Green Monk Machine]

does dan say enough of it and put the team up for sale offering $2-2.5 billion and walk away ?

I do like the blue and red unity of Washington sports teams- Senators, bullets, capitals, nationals, but the Burgundy and gold is an integral part to the team. as is having the first fight song.

All these "Indians" bothered by the term Redskins need to get over it. it seems more of opportunists in politics trying to make a name for themselves. of all the travesties in America, nobody cares about the indian people. heck what about the americans who aren't being valued more than the failing dollar? Banks and corporations are tanking the country well into future generations of debt and a football team that has existed for 80 years is the center of the problem? No. Those offended don't have the marbles to make a change.

No way in hell, a franchise should be forced to change by people not paying into the damage that change will result.

What about the guys with tattoo's? People like me who have been collecting jerseys and everything else since birth and inherited stuff from the '40's?

no way in hell. I say get in line if you are offended by the redskins. the line forms behind the loyal fans and we aren't going anywhere.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Green Monk Machine

does dan say enough of it and put the team up for sale offering $2-2.5 billion and walk away ?

I do like the blue and red unity of Washington sports teams- Senators, bullets, capitals, nationals, but the Burgundy and gold is an integral part to the team. as is having the first fight song.

I hope you aren't suggesting Senators as a name for the Redskins...no way in hell we should name our team after the most corrupt people in the nation and the people who would be helping flush our team's tradition down a $60,000 gold-handled toilet in the Capitol Building.

If it really comes down to legally being forced to change our name (Good bye 1st Amendment), we should keep the B&G and change to Braves or Warriors. "Braves on the Warpath, Right for old D.C." will still work and it's our original name. Of course, the real racists starting this argument will probably be offended by that name too, so I guess Warriors would be something to sttle for.

But, I will never call the team by the new, "politically-correct" name whatever it is. This team will ALWAYS be the Redskins to me and I'll still cheer for the Redskins vocally.

I still have not accepted the cheesy Wizards name...I still hope the Bullets name returns but that won't happen during this Presidency obviously. Credit to them for ditching those ugly blue and gold uniforms for the new Bullets-esque set, that's how the team should look.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

I hope you aren't suggesting Senators as a name for the Redskins...no way in hell we should name our team after the most corrupt people in the nation and the people who would be helping flush our team's tradition down a $60,000 gold-handled toilet in the Capitol Building.

If it really comes down to legally being forced to change our name (Good bye 1st Amendment), we should keep the B&G and change to Braves or Warriors. "Braves on the Warpath, Right for old D.C." will still work and it's our original name. Of course, the real racists starting this argument will probably be offended by that name too, so I guess Warriors would be something to sttle for.

But, I will never call the team by the new, "politically-correct" name whatever it is. This team will ALWAYS be the Redskins to me and I'll still cheer for the Redskins vocally.

I still have not accepted the cheesy Wizards name...I still hope the Bullets name returns but that won't happen during this Presidency obviously. Credit to them for ditching those ugly blue and gold uniforms for the new Bullets-esque set, that's how the team should look.

I agree. I actually think Braves would be the best, because it is a part of our history, already in our fight song, ect.

I'd also be fine with PigSkins/HogSkins (although I know alot of people hate it)... and as much as I can't stand him, I did think Mike Wise had a great idea of changing to the Warriors, and having it pay homage to Veterans/Wounded Warriors, ect....

That said, I hope we never change.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I agree. I actually think Braves would be the best, because it is a part of our history, already in our fight song, ect.

I'd also be fine with PigSkins/HogSkins (although I know alot of people hate it)... and as much as I can't stand him, I did think Mike Wise had a great idea of changing to the Warriors, and having it pay homage to Veterans/Wounded Warriors, ect....

That said, I hope we never change.

I actually love that idea. Camo alternate uniform!

RGIII would be for that too, I bet. It would also make us as an organization look like the better people on this issue, which we are already. While the opposition is creating racial divides and filing lawsuits, we honor the heroes of our country.

Then, the protesters will just make new signs and show screaming that we're promoting war, violence, depressing foreign countries and guns for children. You cannot please these people, they make a living stirring up trouble and protesting. The rent-a-mobs need something to punch their timecards with.

Of course, preference is keeping our real name.

[mike340]

It's OK with me if they force the Redskins to change their name. My only prerequisite is that they take Andrew Jackson off the $20 bill first. If I were an Indian (my wife is 1/4), I would be much more pissed about that than about the Redskins' name.

[Monkeydad]

F...the media and politicians.

They will always be the Redskins. We'll move before the name changes.

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I think Redskins fans should contact Indian tribes that support the name and hold a counter protest, screw the media and those a-holes with their agendas. Show people that 78% support the existing name. Sick of this shit!!

Agreed. A Redskins jersey just broke the single-season jersey sales record. The public is not "offended".

A lot of that has to do with RGIII himself but if people were truly insulted and offended, they would not wear a jersey or shirt with the name on it. Also, if he were drafted by the Browns or Jags, sales probably would not be as high because lets be honest, who would want to wear those teams' gear?

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Problem is, imo, the media would portray the larger group as the name change advocates, and make those who support the name look like the outliers.

It's a big problem when media openly advocates for any cause.

No, they'd treat them like Pro-Constitution, Pro-Gun or Pro-Life supporters with good intentions that aren't on the list of trendy political causes and paint them as racists, even if they're actual Native Americans themselves.

The headline would be "Racism has spread into the Native-American tribes as they support a racist team's name!"

The media has no problem destroying the character of anyone, even if they're so wrong and dishonest about it that they look like complete fools.

[SmootSmack]

I honestly don't have the same vitriol to those who oppose the name as others do. And honestly when I hear some of the comments towards those who do oppose the name, it can be hard not to side with them

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I honestly don't have the same vitriol to those who oppose the name as others do. And honestly when I hear some of the comments towards those who do oppose the name, it can be hard not to side with them

Too much emotion/bias is wrapped up in it no doubt. I know that a majority of people don't view it as a big issue based on poll numbers, but I don't think that automatically makes it insignificant or something that shouldn't at least be considered.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I honestly don't have the same vitriol to those who oppose the name as others do. And honestly when I hear some of the comments towards those who do oppose the name, it can be hard not to side with them

I agree with that. I have no allegiance to the name Redskins rather to the football team that represents the city I love. Teams change names it has happened throughout the history of organized sports some of it has been voluntary others have had some sort of mutual coercion. Society, regardless of whether you agree with it or not, will always continue to change what it values

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I honestly don't have the same vitriol to those who oppose the name as others do. And honestly when I hear some of the comments towards those who do oppose the name, it can be hard not to side with them

I agree with this post.

[Skinzman]

Im not sure why people keep recommending the Warriors as an alternative name. If we are changing from Redskins, why would we change to a name that the people against Redskins say is derogatory to Indians? The Indians fighting against Redskins are going to go after the name Warriors for being derogatory to Indians if they can get the name Redskins to fall. They have already given their view of the name Warriors and they feel it should not be allowed.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Im not sure why people keep recommending the Warriors as an alternative name. If we are changing from Redskins, why would we change to a name that the people against Redskins say is derogatory to Indians? The Indians fighting against Redskins are going to go after the name Warriors for being derogatory to Indians if they can get the name Redskins to fall. They have already given their view of the name Warriors and they feel it should not be allowed.

Now Warriors is derogatory?

We need to just move to London and be the Sillynannies because it's seriously moving in that direction.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Now Warriors is derogatory?

We need to just move to London and be the Sillynannies because it's seriously moving in that direction.

Europeans offend me.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Now Warriors is derogatory?

We need to just move to London and be the Sillynannies because it's seriously moving in that direction.

They want all of the sports teams with anything pertaining to Indians to be changed. They are against Chiefs, Braves, Indians, Warriors, Seminoles, Blackhawks, Fighting Illini, etc. to be changed.

The NCAA already adopted that rule. Thats why Marquette changed from Warriors to Eagles and Stanford changed from Indians to Cardinals. The NCAA has a rule that if an Indian tribe ok's a name, then it can stay. Which is why Florida St. was allowed to keep Seminoles. Which prompted Suzan Harjo to say that the Seminole tribe in Florida that ok'd the name are a bunch of sell outs.