New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .

[saden1]

I hope DMV leaders are smart enough not to give Snyder any tax payer money.

[saden1]

[takethecake]

I think the old RFK site is really the only option - all the other spots have significant drawbacks, and RFK just makes too much damn sense. As much as taxpayer financing upsets me (seriously, it's one of the more fucked things in our society), I'm sure it'll happen again here - especially when you have DC, MD & VA all competing for the new stadium. Of course, a move to DC would necessitate a name change - there's absolutely no getting around that - but I'm sure Snyder knows that and will leverage the name change for more gov't $. He knows it has to change eventually, he's just waiting for the biggest payday.

But all that aside, I feel like I actually might go to more than 1 game/season if it was in DC. It really just fucking sucks to go all the way out to Landover...metro access would be huge.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by takethecake

I think the old RFK site is really the only option - all the other spots have significant drawbacks, and RFK just makes too much damn sense. As much as taxpayer financing upsets me (seriously, it's one of the more fucked things in our society), I'm sure it'll happen again here - especially when you have DC, MD & VA all competing for the new stadium. Of course, a move to DC would necessitate a name change - there's absolutely no getting around that - but I'm sure Snyder knows that and will leverage the name change for more gov't $. He knows it has to change eventually, he's just waiting for the biggest payday.

But all that aside, I feel like I actually might go to more than 1 game/season if it was in DC. It really just fucking sucks to go all the way out to Landover...metro access would be huge.

Or maybe just a logo change. The word Redskin by itself is innocuous. I saw it on a menu just the other day and no one was outside with picket signs. I like the old yellow helmets anyway.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by saden1

Hey, it's Magnum PI!

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by saden1

Isn't DC a little different, since it doesn't reside within a state? It's a 10 x 10 square. Isn't DC somewhat dependent on residents of MD and VA? It would seem to me that 70K plus non-DC residents driving into DC to spend money would be a good thing.

The other stadiums cited in the video are in states where just about everyone attending the game already lives in the state in which the stadium resides. I guess NJ is the exception, but I imagine a lot of people attending Giants and Jets games live in NJ as well. Maybe I'm wrong.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Isn't DC a little different, since it doesn't reside within a state? It's a 10 x 10 square. Isn't DC somewhat dependent on residents of MD and VA? It would seem to me that 70K plus non-DC residents driving into DC to spend money would be a good thing.

The other stadiums cited in the video are in states where just about everyone attending the game already lives in the state in which the stadium resides. I guess NJ is the exception, but I imagine a lot of people attending Giants and Jets games live in NJ as well. Maybe I'm wrong.

1. I really doesn't matter where the stadium is (NY and NJ said no to public financing). There are finite number of seasonal jobs created and the tax revenue received from these job and the sale of any goods is insufficient to cover the amount of money taxpayers cough up before teams ask for a new stadium.

2. If the baseball team gets a stadium the football team will ask for one and vice verse. When owners ask for a new stadium it essentially amounts to asking for a ransom...Pay us or we will move and find someone else to pay us....I don't know about you but the idea of paying a ransom doesn't appeal to me, especially if I am not getting my money's worth.

3. People don't spend more money to go to games, they shift that money from other things like going out to dinner or the movies. This means the state isn't receiving tax revenue from these other businesses.

4. Studies after studies have shown the only people a new stadiums makes money for are the people building it, playing in it and team owners.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by saden1

1. I really doesn't matter where the stadium is (NY and NJ said no to public financing). There are finite number of seasonal jobs created and the tax revenue received from these job and the sale of any goods is insufficient to cover the amount of money taxpayers cough up before teams ask for a new stadium.

2. If the baseball team gets a stadium the football team will ask for one and vice verse. When owners ask for a new stadium it essentially amounts to asking for a ransom...Pay us or we will move and find someone else to pay us....I don't know about you but the idea of paying a ransom doesn't appeal to me, especially if I am not getting my money's worth.

3. People don't spend more money to go to games, they shift that money from other things like going out to dinner or the movies. This means the state isn't receiving tax revenue from these other businesses.

4. Studies after studies have shown the only people a new stadiums makes money for are the people building it, playing in it and team owners.

You're right and wrong .


Baseball has nothing to do with Football stadiums ,it didn't in NY/NJ.



AS for # 3 you are 100% dead wrong ,have you been to a parking lot at Fed Ex ,have you seen what these people spend on tailgating ???People who buy season tickets have the money or figure a way ...maybe sell a game or two or go in as a whole family (as we did in NY,7 of us) .You make it sound like people will starve first to see a game and it's just not so .

#4) Again you are wrong ,if you have a good stadium and a good marketing team they can make money .Scroll down and see ,NJ makes money at Met Life !MetLife Stadium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

#4) Again you are wrong ,if you have a good stadium and a good marketing team they can make money .Scroll down and see ,NJ makes money at Met Life !MetLife Stadium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm sorry. Exactly where in that link does it show NJ makes money from the stadium? Have you got a breakdown between the costs of maintenance vs the income they receive?

If you are pointing to the concerts as the revenue, I have to remind you that it's the artists/performer who nets most of that money, not the venue.

I'm almost 100% sure that NJ lost money during the Super Bowl.


In Stadium Building Spree, U.S. Taxpayers Lose $4 Billion - Bloomberg

As per norm, Giantone doesn't know what he's talking about. Most cities lose out with new stadiums. The studies have been done.


I can post many articles and reports saying the same thing. It's all contradictory to what the NFL promises.

http://web.williams.edu/Economics/wp...nSuperbowl.pdf

[tshile]

a dc councilman was on ESPN980.

he trashed loudoun county as an option, which pretty much tells me that the rumors of it going there are probably right

he also refused to use the word Redskins, calling them The Washington Football team, but when asked about it said that the name change shouldn't be part of the discussion about relocating the team. He said it would "... take care of itself" down the road.

IE: They want the tax revenue and businesses that would come from it but want to take a stand against the supposedly racist nickname.

I hope to god DC or MD doesn't get the stadium. They don't deserve the economic boost (according to the dc councilman) nor the tax revenue.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by tshile

a dc councilman was on ESPN980.

he trashed loudoun county as an option, which pretty much tells me that the rumors of it going there are probably right

he also refused to use the word Redskins, calling them The Washington Football team, but when asked about it said that the name change shouldn't be part of the discussion about relocating the team. He said it would "... take care of itself" down the road.

IE: They want the tax revenue and businesses that would come from it but want to take a stand against the supposedly racist nickname.

I hope to god DC or MD doesn't get the stadium. They don't deserve the economic boost (according to the dc councilman) nor the tax revenue.

He actually said the word Redskins several times, but kept referring to the team as the Washington football team. It was weird. I've come to the conclusion that it's just not racist enough. Even guys like Simms, who won't say it, will condone someone sitting right next to him saying it over and over again. If he truly thought it was racist, he wouldn't tolerate a work environment where he was surrounded by it. Wake me up when he actually turns to his broadcast partner and calls him a racist to his face.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

He actually said the word Redskins several times, but kept referring to the team as the Washington football team. It was weird. I've come to the conclusion that it's just not racist enough. Even guys like Simms, who won't say it, will condone someone sitting right next to him saying it over and over again. If he truly thought it was racist, he wouldn't tolerate a work environment where he was surrounded by it. Wake me up when he actually turns to his broadcast partner and calls him a racist to his face.

I'm stealing this post, and using it for conversations I have about the name

[Ruhskins]

Last time I checked, taxpayer financing happens a lot in new NFL stadiums deals. I'm not for the practice, but a lot of people sound like this is the first time they've heard about it.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Last time I checked, taxpayer financing happens a lot in new NFL stadiums deals. I'm not for the practice, but a lot of people sound like this is the first time they've heard about it.

Not for the Met Life Stadium in NJ .


MetLife Stadium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Giants, Jets revise billion-dollar stadium plan - NFL - ESPN

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Not for the Met Life Stadium in NJ .


MetLife Stadium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Giants, Jets revise billion-dollar stadium plan - NFL - ESPN

Well, sort of.

Questions remain over whether the benefits of hosting the Super Bowl outweigh the costs. The New York Times' Charles Bagli took a look at the numbers for an article in Friday's paper. He reports that the stadium cost $1.6 billion to build, and although it was privately financed, New Jersey taxpayers did foot the bill for about $250 million in transportation and infrastructure improvements.

I know when municipalities annex areas, the homeowners in that area have to pay for the cost of utilities being run along their yards, to their neighborhood, even if they don't use them. The MetLife Giants/Jets stadium did get a pass on that.