Blown Coverages - Who do we blame?!

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Looked it up.

Kenard Lang back in 1997. First round.

I'm just going to assume that's bad.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Looked it up.

Kenard Lang back in 1997. First round.

Good teams spend high draft picks on big tough linemen on both sides of the ball. I would love a return to an identity of dominating the trenches. I remember Marty passing on future All-Pro guard Steve Hutchinson to select WR Rod Gardner in the first round, yet another bust. I'm convinced that Hutchinson, along with Samuels and Jansen entering their prime years, would have been the second coming of the Hogs.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Besides Jarvis Jenkins, when is the last hand in the dirt down defensive lineman we have drafted higher than the 5th round? Rounds 1 through 4?

Does anyone know?

Not anybody on our current roster.

How far back do you have to go for our last high round defensive lineman?

Hatcher and Cofield are on the wrong side of 30.

Check out the Patriots, they drafted many first round lineman that have been great.
New England Patriots All-Time Draft History | Pro-Football-Reference.com

[DynamiteRave]

And I mean Lang as a hand in the dirt DE that stayed a DE. Not DE's we converted into LBs a la Kerrigan and Orakpo.

[hagams]

I had to listen to the entire game, so not only am I pissed at the results of the game, I'm pissed at having to listen to those guys stumble through a broadcast.

My questions is this, who is the "on the field" leader of the defense, or the defensive QB? I know half of our defensive starters lack talent/skills to play at this level, but is there anyone who gets what the coaching are planning? If not, the blame lays directly on the coaching staff. Someone should be able to, or at least care enough to remind the players who don't get the weekly snaps what to do. Total team failure today....except for a handful of players. Sounded like Jordan had a nice game, and Colt was throwing the ball well.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by hagams

I had to listen to the entire game, so not only am I pissed at the results of the game, I'm pissed at having to listen to those guys stumble through a broadcast.

My questions is this, who is the "on the field" leader of the defense, or the defensive QB? I know half of our defensive starters lack talent/skills to play at this level, but is there anyone who gets what the coaching are planning? If not, the blame lays directly on the coaching staff. Someone should be able to, or at least care enough to remind the players who don't get the weekly snaps what to do. Total team failure today....except for a handful of players. Sounded like Jordan had a nice game, and Colt was throwing the ball well.

Team is missing DeAngelo Hall in a big way

[skinsfan69]

What's really frustrating is watching Amerson. Here's a high draft pick, he's suppose to be improving and he's regressing badly. Drafted player who sucking, plus missing meetings that got him benched. Wtf is wrong with these guys? Do some of them actually like football? Or do they play just for the check?

[Gary84Clark]

Soup if we had a dominating trenches offense the people on this board would complain it's not like Brady, it's not like Peyton..blah blah blah discount double check.

[Daseal]

I don't buy the "we're just not good enough." I understand that as an answer if we're getting beat. We're not getting beat, we're completely dropping people in coverage.

In regards to the DL question, it's kinda loaded. We've taken a lot of DEs high and transitioned them, somewhat poorly, to LBs. When Orakpo was a rookie he got almost all his sacks from the 4 point stance. We have some great DEs on this team, they just got moved to LB.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I don't buy the "we're just not good enough." I understand that as an answer if we're getting beat. We're not getting beat, we're completely dropping people in coverage.

In regards to the DL question, it's kinda loaded. We've taken a lot of DEs high and transitioned them, somewhat poorly, to LBs. When Orakpo was a rookie he got almost all his sacks from the 4 point stance. We have some great DEs on this team, they just got moved to LB.

You watch, when Orakpo leaves he will play well for his new team. That will tell you something about the kind of coaching that goes on around Redskins Park.

[Daseal]

Originally Posted by saden1

You watch, when Orakpo leaves he will play well for his new team. That will tell you something about the kind of coaching that goes on around Redskins Park.

I think it depends on what position he plays. I think he's a mediocre standup LB but an excellent all-around DE. If he goes to a 4-3 team he'll have a big year - in my opinion.

I'm still sad we didn't go after Schwartz after he was fired by the Lions. Great defensive mind. Just look at what he's doing in Buffalo.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think it depends on what position he plays. I think he's a mediocre standup LB but an excellent all-around DE. If he goes to a 4-3 team he'll have a big year - in my opinion.

I'm still sad we didn't go after Schwartz after he was fired by the Lions. Great defensive mind. Just look at what he's doing in Buffalo.

Wouldn't have minded seeing Schwartz come here and go back to the 4-3. He's got the horses on the d-line in Buffalo.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think it depends on what position he plays. I think he's a mediocre standup LB but an excellent all-around DE. If he goes to a 4-3 team he'll have a big year - in my opinion.

I'm still sad we didn't go after Schwartz after he was fired by the Lions. Great defensive mind. Just look at what he's doing in Buffalo.

Synder and et al are not familiar with him like they are with Haslett!

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I don't buy the "we're just not good enough." I understand that as an answer if we're getting beat. We're not getting beat, we're completely dropping people in coverage.

In regards to the DL question, it's kinda loaded. We've taken a lot of DEs high and transitioned them, somewhat poorly, to LBs. When Orakpo was a rookie he got almost all his sacks from the 4 point stance. We have some great DEs on this team, they just got moved to LB.

It's not loaded at all. They are two totally different positions with two totally different body types.

I think your post is right on the money but it wasn't what I was asking about.

Baltimore, NY Jets, Steelers all had bad ass down defensive lineman who pushed people around. Bad asses like these can mind their gaps while putting a center or guard into the QB.

I believe that the majority of teams who control the line of scrimmage win more games than they lose.

[over the mountain]

for blown coverage i blame, in equal parts:

1. haslett
2. allen (for not adding a FS and thinking adding porter for 4.5 mil was a solution)
3. our secondary players not named breeland or merriweather


our secondary and RT were huge holes going into the offseason.

our secondary and RT were huge holes coming out of the offseason.

our secondary and RT are huge holes going into the next offseason.

so of course we will add more pass rushers to solve the 2 holes.