Sean Taylor's Contract

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I don't think Moss' deal is a problem. I think we paid a decent amount and it wasn't like we restructured his contract.

I definitely agree we need to take a hardline position. It might make Drew revamp how he deals with teams.

[Yellow31]

OK several points.
1. Portis was drafted in the 2nd round and was getting paid squat for 2 straight 1500 yard seasons before being traded to the skins. He was a top 5 RB in the NFL getting paid like a 2nd or 3rd stringer at RB and at RB what is the average career 5-7 years max??? Come on apples and oranges
2. Moss was in the last year of his deal at $400K and was a proven player in the league who the skins traded for...if you trade for someone in their last year of a deal you are going to give them a new deal or they will sit out...Do you really think Moss would have showed up to camp for $400K after being traded???
3. TO and Sean Taylor they still have MANY years left on their contracts...which they just signed last year!!! I know football is a risky business and you have to get paid when you can but jeeeez they just signed their contracts last year!!!! and they want new ones. Screw 'em let them hold out this year, next year, the year after and on until their contract is up and keep fining them for not showing up to work. What type of power/control do they have??? NONE!!! If they are disgruntled and hurting the team do what Gruden in Tampa Bay did to Keyshawn and put their butts off the team in the middle of the season so they can't play/practice etc...Heck buy them a big screen so they can watch the games...I might not like Snyder but that was hysterical the way he put it to Coles!!

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by Yellow31

OK several points.
1. Portis was drafted in the 2nd round and was getting paid squat for 2 straight 1500 yard seasons before being traded to the skins. He was a top 5 RB in the NFL getting paid like a 2nd or 3rd stringer at RB and at RB what is the average career 5-7 years max??? Come on apples and oranges
2. Moss was in the last year of his deal at $400K and was a proven player in the league who the skins traded for...if you trade for someone in their last year of a deal you are going to give them a new deal or they will sit out...Do you really think Moss would have showed up to camp for $400K after being traded???
3. TO and Sean Taylor they still have MANY years left on their contracts...which they just signed last year!!! I know football is a risky business and you have to get paid when you can but jeeeez they just signed their contracts last year!!!! and they want new ones. Screw 'em let them hold out this year, next year, the year after and on until their contract is up and keep fining them for not showing up to work. What type of power/control do they have??? NONE!!! If they are disgruntled and hurting the team do what Gruden in Tampa Bay did to Keyshawn and put their butts off the team in the middle of the season so they can't play/practice etc...Heck buy them a big screen so they can watch the games...I might not like Snyder but that was hysterical the way he put it to Coles!!

That pretty much sums it up. Thanks, Yellow31, you just saved me about 15 minutes.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

The NFL needs to take a stand NOW. I bet Taylor shows up to practices when he gets his ass fined daily for NOT coming.

In the end though, I think I'm looking way too into it. I think Taylor will show up and be fine. He has incenties built into his contract, and I think his sophomore stint will be a great one.

[FRPLG]

I believe there will be a major push to have this issue addressed and fixed in the next CBA. Perhaps adopting a rule such as the NBA that basically sets rookie contracts at 3 years and gives little to no wiggle room for teams or players.
An interesting idea I read somewhere changed the way holdouts would be handled also. Basically an "official" holdout would have to be registered with the NFLPA and the league. At that point the players rights clock would stop. Meaning if a guy "offically" held out with 365 days left on his contract then when the holdout ends he still has 365 days left on his contract. During the holdout he cannot be fined but he cannot get paid either. This would give players a lot less incentive to holdout unless they wanted to give up more time. A unofficial holdout would require a prohibitively steep per day fine of something like .5% of the current year salary and prorated bonus. For the big guys that would work out to some ridiculous numbers up into the hundreds of thousands.

[monk81]

Originally Posted by SKINS73

I haven't been to the warpath for a while so I apologize if this has been discussed already...

Am I the only one that is irritated with players demanding their contract be renegotiated? So far this year you have Taylor, Ed Reed, Owens, Corey Dillon, the list goes on... Before they sign doesn't the player's association review the contract as well?

It has a lot to do with the trend actively pursued by agent Drew Rosenhaus........this guy is bad news for the NFL........of course you could argue that the team owners, backload the contracts and the players never see any of the big money........so they renegotiate to get the money while they can............it seems to be a no win situation............

[RedskinsJunkie]

If they sign it they must play... Sound like a movie right???

Anyway what would happen if TO sits and the Eagles don't pay him. Then he sits another year, and the Eagles don't pay him... No way would he want to sit out 2 years back to back and he would definitely come back to play, but do the Eagles or any team for that matter have the patience to wait a player out???

[RedskinsJunkie]

Good points guys, but I would hate for him to go elsewhere... He showed a lot of promise... and immaturity as a rookie, but you know he is going to be a stud...

[Daseal]

And as for pissing him off? F- Him. If he's the type of player to sign a contract and then not want to play under it less than 365 days later (Hello, can you say second coming of T.O.?), and if he's the type of player who wants to blame the world for all of his problems (i.e. if his agent dropped the ball and didn't get every dollar out of the Skins that he could have), then I'm not so sure I want him as a long term Skin. Nobody is irreplaceable. The franchise won't fall to pieces if Taylor plays out his contract and then leaves pissed of at the skins. I just don't understand the desire to cater to this second-year player.

Ready to run Portis out of town? Or would it be fine if Taylor waited another year to threaten a holdout all camp until he got another contract (which he hasn't done yet, he may show up to camp -- we don't know)

Taylor got jacked as a rookie with his contract. At least he's not pulling a LaVar and crying all over the media, and LaVar has no excuse because he got a contract more than he's worth already.

[RedskinsJunkie]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Ready to run Portis out of town? Or would it be fine if Taylor waited another year to threaten a holdout all camp until he got another contract (which he hasn't done yet, he may show up to camp -- we don't know)

Taylor got jacked as a rookie with his contract. At least he's not pulling a LaVar and crying all over the media, and LaVar has no excuse because he got a contract more than he's worth already.

Amen brother, Amen...

[Grayacre]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Taylor got jacked as a rookie with his contract.

How does someone get "jacked" with their contract? Was he forced to sign at gunpoint? Was he duped? Did his high-powered lawyers conspire against him? Probably not. Even if his services to the team are worth more now than when he signed the contract, it strains credulity to think that Taylor simply overlooked that possibility when he AGREED to the deal.

[Daseal]

Hey Greyacre - He could have held out as a rookie, but he said he wanted to get into camp, and his contract is significantly less than other picks around him, which is how those salaries are made.

I hope you guys support something like when LaVar's contract starts coming to crunch years and he says no thanks to a restructure. I hope you support him, because god knows, he signed a contract and he should get every penny.

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I hope you guys support something like when LaVar's contract starts coming to crunch years and he says no thanks to a restructure. I hope you support him, because god knows, he signed a contract and he should get every penny.

That's ridiculous.


:headbange

[joecrisp]

Why would LaVar agree to work with the Redskins on any more contracts, when he believes the team cheated him out of $6.5 million when he signed his last contract?

LaVar's situation and Taylor's/TO's situations are very different.

The main reason people are up in arms about Rosenhaus's tactics with Taylor and TO is that those players' deals are only a year old. With Taylor, it's even more infuriating, because he's an unproven player. One moderately good rookie season does not warrant a contract do-over, particularly given Taylor's ass-clownish behavior off-the-field. The Redskins shouldn't re-do Taylor's deal until he proves he can stop making boneheaded plays both on and off the field. Let him make the Pro Bowl or lead the league in interceptions to make his money (triggered by incentive clauses in his current contract), and then talk about re-doing his deal.

[irish]

The redskins need to draft more guys like Tom Brady that are willing to restructure or do whatever is needed to help the team win.

Unfortunately the redskins are stuck with a bunch of me, me,me guys that seem more concerned with getting $100 more than the next guy than with winning a championship.

When the redskins focus more on player character/intelligence than athletic ability they will start winning.