Room for Bowen?

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-25-2005, 11:19 AM

That's right. I forgot that Lott IS still hurt. Hmmm...

jacobyfan · 07-25-2005, 12:11 PM

Why anyone judges Bowen on his performance in the D in Spurrier's last year I will also never know. How many of our defenders played well in that scheme?
::crickets::

NCSkinfan · 07-25-2005, 01:12 PM

Interesting that no one mentions the possibility that while Taylor would occupy a roster spot he would be unable to play if he goes to prison. This is a possibility the trial is still set to start and hasn't been continued as of yet. You may want to consideer keeping a safety that you otherwise wouldn't in case he disappears on you. I think that is one of the main reasons that PP is here now, he is a DB and a safety.

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-25-2005, 01:18 PM

That might be one of those bridges that you can cross when you get to it though...

Daseal · 07-25-2005, 05:31 PM

I think Lott getting cut will really burn. I hated to see Iffy go myself, I thought he was young and still growing. Bowen is such a liability in the passing game I think he has a real chance. Everyone says Williams loves converted CBs which is what Lott is. I think Lott/Clark at the SS position give us a much more versatile team. They don't hit like Bowen, but they'll give up less big plays.

Seriously though -- if we EVER lost Ade I think this board would go into a tailspin. We wouldn't have anyone to talk about.

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-25-2005, 06:20 PM

Or anyone to build a shrine of in my closet.

That Guy · 07-25-2005, 07:28 PM

theres been a lot of posts, sorry for not quoting, but:
*even if ST does get convicted (which looks very unlikely now) he'd still be able to avoid STARTING the trail till the end of the season in all probability.
*bowen mot definately is a total liability in coverage, thats why the packers gave him up, he plays the run pretty well though and he' not afraid of hitting people... someone mentioned dixon had 3 sacks last year, well bowen had 2 in ONE game.
*I think bowen makes the team for the same reason clemons is around, he's a great sack threat. Williams would probably keep even as a non starter for situational rotation... beside that, having a former starter as a backup is never a bad thing (which will happen if either clark OR bowen win the job).

as far as the money thing, cutting bowen would definately save ome cash, but with gardner and barrow looking like they'll be released for sure, i don't think we'll really need the money for this season.

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-25-2005, 07:56 PM

True. You reminded me that G. Wills likes to use decoys in his system and putting Bowen in to line up like he's going to rush and then drop into coverage would be a good one.

BrudLee · 07-25-2005, 11:11 PM

I think we're seeing a little revisionist history with the Bowen signing. Green Bay offered their backup strong safety a tender offer as a restricted free agent. He was firmly entrenched behind Marques Anderson and Darren Sharper (remember that name - he will probably go to the Hall of Fame). The Redskins offer was for four years, $6 million, with a $1.6 million bonus. The reason the bonus was that high is that the Packers wanted Bowen - they just didn't want to pay that much.

The knock on Bowen is that he's horrible in coverage. Bowen made probably three bad plays in his first year with the Skins - taking horrible angles to plays which allowed our opponents to torch him and the team. He also made several very good plays that year. One of the reasons he was acquired was the last game he played with the Packers, and was asked to shadow a certain Mike Vick. He ended up that game with 15 tackles (10 solo), leading his team in the category.

Since he played in all of five games last year, perhaps we ought not hold his 2004 stats against him, especially since they compare favorably to (dum-dum-DUM) Sean Taylor when projected out over a full season in some categories.

SmootSmack · 07-25-2005, 11:28 PM

I like Bowen and if I remember right he was playing out of position two years ago anyway right?

And I know that everyone always says you can't lose your job to an injury, but it happens all the time. And I just have this feeling that the starting job is now Clark's to lose (this is just a feeling, that's all).

So if Bowen can't wrestle that starting job back from Clark, I think he might just be too expensive a backup. We'll find out soon enough

That Guy · 07-26-2005, 04:22 AM

i know bowen had to cover a no name undrafted WR in a giants game last year and he was only about 500 miles away when that f***er caught a TD pass from a hasbeen QB, so until he proves he can cover i'm going to assume he can't

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-26-2005, 08:05 AM

I agree, but Warner definitely torched us last year...

07-25-2005, 11:19 AM	#1
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 45 Posts: 19,272	Re: Room for Bowen? That's right. I forgot that Lott IS still hurt. Hmmm... __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

07-25-2005, 12:11 PM	#2
jacobyfan Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 47 Posts: 172	Re: Room for Bowen? Why anyone judges Bowen on his performance in the D in Spurrier's last year I will also never know. How many of our defenders played well in that scheme? ::crickets::

07-25-2005, 01:12 PM	#3
NCSkinfan Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11	Re: Room for Bowen? Interesting that no one mentions the possibility that while Taylor would occupy a roster spot he would be unable to play if he goes to prison. This is a possibility the trial is still set to start and hasn't been continued as of yet. You may want to consideer keeping a safety that you otherwise wouldn't in case he disappears on you. I think that is one of the main reasons that PP is here now, he is a DB and a safety.

07-25-2005, 01:18 PM	#4
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 45 Posts: 19,272	Re: Room for Bowen? That might be one of those bridges that you can cross when you get to it though... __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

07-25-2005, 05:31 PM	#5
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	Re: Room for Bowen? I think Lott getting cut will really burn. I hated to see Iffy go myself, I thought he was young and still growing. Bowen is such a liability in the passing game I think he has a real chance. Everyone says Williams loves converted CBs which is what Lott is. I think Lott/Clark at the SS position give us a much more versatile team. They don't hit like Bowen, but they'll give up less big plays. Seriously though -- if we EVER lost Ade I think this board would go into a tailspin. We wouldn't have anyone to talk about. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

07-25-2005, 06:20 PM	#6
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 45 Posts: 19,272	Re: Room for Bowen? Or anyone to build a shrine of in my closet. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

07-25-2005, 07:28 PM	#7
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	Re: Room for Bowen? theres been a lot of posts, sorry for not quoting, but: even if ST does get convicted (which looks very unlikely now) he'd still be able to avoid STARTING the trail till the end of the season in all probability. bowen mot definately is a total liability in coverage, thats why the packers gave him up, he plays the run pretty well though and he' not afraid of hitting people... someone mentioned dixon had 3 sacks last year, well bowen had 2 in ONE game. *I think bowen makes the team for the same reason clemons is around, he's a great sack threat. Williams would probably keep even as a non starter for situational rotation... beside that, having a former starter as a backup is never a bad thing (which will happen if either clark OR bowen win the job). as far as the money thing, cutting bowen would definately save ome cash, but with gardner and barrow looking like they'll be released for sure, i don't think we'll really need the money for this season.

07-25-2005, 07:56 PM	#8
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 45 Posts: 19,272	Re: Room for Bowen? True. You reminded me that G. Wills likes to use decoys in his system and putting Bowen in to line up like he's going to rush and then drop into coverage would be a good one. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

07-25-2005, 11:11 PM	#9
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Re: Room for Bowen? I think we're seeing a little revisionist history with the Bowen signing. Green Bay offered their backup strong safety a tender offer as a restricted free agent. He was firmly entrenched behind Marques Anderson and Darren Sharper (remember that name - he will probably go to the Hall of Fame). The Redskins offer was for four years, $6 million, with a $1.6 million bonus. The reason the bonus was that high is that the Packers wanted Bowen - they just didn't want to pay that much. The knock on Bowen is that he's horrible in coverage. Bowen made probably three bad plays in his first year with the Skins - taking horrible angles to plays which allowed our opponents to torch him and the team. He also made several very good plays that year. One of the reasons he was acquired was the last game he played with the Packers, and was asked to shadow a certain Mike Vick. He ended up that game with 15 tackles (10 solo), leading his team in the category. Since he played in all of five games last year, perhaps we ought not hold his 2004 stats against him, especially since they compare favorably to (dum-dum-DUM) Sean Taylor when projected out over a full season in some categories. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

07-25-2005, 11:28 PM	#10
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Room for Bowen? I like Bowen and if I remember right he was playing out of position two years ago anyway right? And I know that everyone always says you can't lose your job to an injury, but it happens all the time. And I just have this feeling that the starting job is now Clark's to lose (this is just a feeling, that's all). So if Bowen can't wrestle that starting job back from Clark, I think he might just be too expensive a backup. We'll find out soon enough __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

07-26-2005, 04:22 AM	#11
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	Re: Room for Bowen? i know bowen had to cover a no name undrafted WR in a giants game last year and he was only about 500 miles away when that f***er caught a TD pass from a hasbeen QB, so until he proves he can cover i'm going to assume he can't

07-26-2005, 08:05 AM	#12
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 45 Posts: 19,272	Re: Room for Bowen? I agree, but Warner definitely torched us last year... __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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