Who's better, Clinton Portis or Tatum Bell?

[Paintrain]

I'm amazed that this lunacy was even entertained for 3 pages.. Let it end now.

[mooby]

you guys don't know what the 1337 language is? awe, you oldsters. 1337 is the language of speaking over the internet replacing letters with numbers and symbols. it's like the cool language of the kids who spend a lot of time on the internet. you have your normal users that post in english, then you have your "cool" group who likes to talk in numbers and symbols, yet it looks like actual letters.

[MTK]

Is this it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet

[mooby]

yeah it is.that pretty much sums it up. i don't speak it, cuz for me its' kinda confusing, and it wastes too much time trying to translate.

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Is this it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet

Yes that would be it. i prefer 1337 over 133t because if your are gonna spell it out then why not just elite. I don't know if or when i have ever used it but i am gonna use it now

I'm 1337 BITCH

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by offiss

Portis, or Bell?

Well if we evaluate this move based on the last game it's a no brainer, it's Bell. Yes the player that was drafted with #2 pick we sent to Denver along with Bailey for Portis. I would include the fact that Bell is probably making somewhere around 8 million, compared to Portis's 50 mil, but I don't think that's really neccassary.

I will say it, system back, I TOLD YOU SO!

Looks like Shanahan knew what he was doing after all.

It is nothing short of asinine to say that Tatum Bell is better than Clinton Portis based on one isolated game. I expect better from you, offiss.

[GoSkins!]

Timmy Smith. If one game means everything.

[jamf]

[MTK]

That's too easy, either that or I've absorbed this nerdy 1337 stuff way too quickly LOL

[mooby]

lol yeah that was pretty easy, try harder next time.

[wheeler]

i'll tell you one thing we needed ARRINGTON in that ball game , i thought portis needed more carries.........take away the tuck (b.s.) rule we're in ..........

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

It is nothing short of asinine to say that Tatum Bell is better than Clinton Portis based on one isolated game. I expect better from you, offiss.

As you can see in the headline there is a question mark, and the question was after 1 game, now I want to know who believes Portis outperformed Bell? Now that would be asinine.

Let's see, Bell scored 2 long TD's on crucial 3rd down plays, and rushed for 127 yds. against the toughest run defense in the league, In fact he's the only back to do it in the last year or so, and yes he did it without a passing game. Yes that's right I said 2 rushing TD's in 1 game against us, that's 1 shy of Portis's carreer rushing TD's for us.

Portis, fumbled once which resulted in a TD for denver, but apparently made some nice blocks on Al Wilson, but he did manage to crack the 100 yard barrier, so I guess I have to admit, I WAS WRONG!

Personally I believe without a doubt that Portis is a better pure runner and player than Bell, I also agree with many evaluation's through this thread on that comparison, but I really didn't start this thread to find out who believes Bell is better than Portis, I started this thread to shed light on the fact that even a player like Bell can put up big time numbers against the #1 run defense in that denver system, only to aluminate the fact that Portis is vastly over valued because of what he has done in that system, he has done nothing for us remotly resembling what he did in Denver? I am tired of hearing 1300yds, if you run a player enough and he can stay healthy that's very obtainable, the most telling stat is his 3.8 yards per carry, and he does not get it done in short yardage.

Bottom line you can't gauge a RB in denver, it's like trying to gauge a home run hitter at coors field in colorado, they both stop hitting HR's when they leave.

I don't lie to my friends and tell them how great they are when there not, and I am not going to talk about how great we are just because the Skins are my team, by buying into everything they do whether it is right, wrong, or indifferent.


Does anyone think that the Portis we have seen, is the same back you expected to see when we traded for him?

[jamf]

portis cant block for himself. the line was terrible last year. the opposing teams stacked the line against portis because there was no passing threat.

portis went from a top 5 offence to a bottom 5 offence with difference of 200 yards. thats pretty damn good.

look at it this way, what back in our system last year would've ran for more yards/tds than portis? Tomlinson is the best back in the league and thats the only one that comes to mind.
how do you think bell wouldve played in our system last year?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Identity Theft is something we all need to be careful about. Someone's been using your username Offiss.

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.p...1&postcount=72

(no mention of Gibbs there, just how awful Brunell is)

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.p...9&postcount=18

"This garbage that all of sudden Brunell is a big time QB again is just that garbage, in almost 2 games he's had exactly 4 minutes of good QB play, in fact you can probably encorperate last season and find that after last years Dallas game he's had exactly 4 minutes of good QB play period."

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.p...4&postcount=98

"Anyone who wants to put there faith in Brunells miracle 4 minutes can, good luck if you think that will happen again, the real Brunell showed up for 56 minutes, and couldn't have recieved more luck in the final 4 minutes if he paid off the defense himself."

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.p...71&postcount=5

"I would like to take this time to reapologize to Brunell, YOU STILL STINK!"

Too lazy to look for other examples. I know you haven't been thrilled with Gibbs' playcalling and his use (or lack thereof) of Ramsey, the kid with the 200 IQ. But you have laid the blame on Brunell's feet many times. Basically saying that he's washed-up and could no longer be an effective starter.

But really, it's ok to admit you're wrong. You've been wrong before, for example As have I. I thought Ohalete was going to be a fixture on this team for many years and Bowen would be gone. Guess what. I was wrong. See, it's really not that hard to say. I don't come with "I've always maintained..." or "The problem wasn't Ohalete" or "What had happened was..." No, just "I was wrong"

You've been right before and you've been wrong before. And I will bet that in the future you'll be right some more times and you'll be wrong. It wouldn't hurt to just admit it once in a while

Not a problem, I thought I was wrong once, but later found out that I was right, so I was wrong.

I know Taf that you believe if you throw a link up there you have done something special, but really don't be so lazy next time and dig the rest up as well please don't paraphrase threads to suit your needs, you know full well that these threads go back and forth from one extreme to another, and a lot of what's said is made in conjuncture of what someone else has said, you know darn well we have had topics on both regarding both Ramsey and Brunell and why they haven't succeeded and who's fault it is, so to say Brunell is washed up was an after thought for myself, I was never a big fan of him in his prime, what I find funny is how many here were saying he's washed up after his performance last season, where are they? There disguised as lifelong Brunell fans. Did you jump on any band wagons when Gibbs made the switch Taf?

Most of those posts were right on, the fact that Brunell has finally managed to put us in the end zone twice a game losing 1, is no reason to be backing down.

Gibran Hamden is your big time example? Your really digging deep aren't you, you might want to take a time out and rationalize what you read, perhaps there was nothing going on the warpath at the time considering NFL europe was playing, and I made a funny gesture at the end of the thread laughing trying to get something going in a slow month, but in a court of law you got me.

I am starting to think the prevailing thought is that Brunell has somehow arrived as a QB for us? Need I remind you that we lost to the Broncos, and last week if it wasen't for a missed field goal stemming from a Brunell INT in the final minute against Seattle, we wouldn't be so fast to jump on the bandwagon.

Do I think Brunell has markedly improved over the last 2 games? Absolutly!

I am very encouraged by what I have seen? Yes.

But that doesn't mean Ramsey wouldn't have made the same strides or more.

I am defiently rooting for Brunell to succeed, but I am far from anointing him the man, but we are becoming fun to watch, which has been a rarity over the last few years.


Ohalate-Bowen? Kind of a very small misque for you Taf, don't you think? I know you can do much better than that.





What will they say after we beat Denver? Let's not put the cart before the horse here, I think we will come out of this game with much more media respect win or lose, I feel we will give them a good game and in doing so we will start to gain respect, but I don't see us winning this one, it's not by any means impossible, but it will be a tough one to come away with a W in mile high.


Your more than welcome to critique this pre-game prediction as well. Feel free to let me know if I was right.

I have no problem admitting your right once in a while, like your stance on Lavar and how he can't get on the field because he's highly overated, see how easy it is.

[That Guy]

so tafkas is lazy for looking up posts, yet you bring up none to prove that you were misquoted, and you also say that you play both sides, so you can't be wrong... then you go point by point to minimize the quotes that you yourself posted.. oh yeah, i forgot, offis is always right, even when he's not and even when he says he's not.

and again, in that one game portis was hurt and had his longest run called back, so i don't think that final stat line is accurate. you bring up the 3.8ypc, yet fail to mention the awful oline and the fact that his average is much higher this year (4.4) and we've faced generally better defenses. So for all the i told you so's and i'm rights you've been trying to cram down our throats, you're recounting of facts seems a bit convenient.