Pro Bowl Bound - Samuels, Moss

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Bledsoe and Brunell both have 8 wins this year just like Vick.

Vick = overrated name.

If Vick had Bledsoe's receivers or Washington's defense, he'd have more than eight wins.

Originally Posted by TheMalcomConnection

Yes, his presence in the game DOES make his teammates better, but what is up with everyone defending him for the Pro Bowl this year?

I'm not actually defending him for the Pro Bowl, I'm just giving reasons why I can understand he was picked. You guys seem to forget that it's not just fans that pick the Pro Bowl, which is very apparent from the fact that Cooley didn't make it, in spite of being far and away the fan favorite. So obviously his peers and the coaches think he's worthy too.

Coaches gameplan for Vick and are always attempting to keep him contained. I highly doubt any coach in the league is saying to himself before a Dallas game, "How are we going to stop Bledsoe?".

[ST21]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

If Vick had Bledsoe's receivers or Washington's defense, he'd have more than eight wins.




I'm not actually defending him for the Pro Bowl, I'm just giving reasons why I can understand he was picked. You guys seem to forget that it's not just fans that pick the Pro Bowl, which is very apparent from the fact that Cooley didn't make it, in spite of being far and away the fan favorite. So obviously his peers and the coaches think he's worthy too.

Coaches gameplan for Vick and are always attempting to keep him contained. I highly doubt any coach in the league is saying to himself before a Dallas game, "How are we going to stop Bledsoe?".

Finally, Reason and Logic, Listen Ladies dont get it twisted (black terminology) I'm a Redskin fan...first, but this Idea that every QB has to stand in the pocket to be consider a regular QB is crazy, black or white, good is good and bad is bad, and Vick # don't state he should be there, but he does as much for his team as Peyton Manning..... Now everyone says I use race, and sometimes I do, because I can feel the hate for this one paticular QB, all you critics do are critize him,..... Respect what he can do, and give him time to grow, as far as I'm concerned....not just fans voted him in, and I didn't either...I voted for Brunell, Bled-hoe and Hasslebeck.....but this weekend I watch Peyton, look dazed and confused, and when he couldn't throw the ball those athletic abilitys didn't workout for him...........

[hail_2_da_skins]

F@#% the Pro Bowl. No one watches it anyway. The Skins get no respect. They will just have to earn it by going to the playoffs and winning playoff games. The Pro Bowl selections will follow next year.

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

F@#% the Pro Bowl. No one watches it anyway. The Skins get no respect. They will just have to earn it by going to the playoffs and winning playoff games. The Pro Bowl selections will follow next year.

I'm with you, hail. And I'd rather be overlooked at this point--it puts yet another chip on the shoulder of our team.

[skins052bgr8]

Dan Patrick gives Brunell some love and says he should have been the # 2 QB behind Hasslebeck and the third QB slot is a toss up between Delhomme, Vick, and Eli, but Brunell should have definitely been voted in because of his play. Could not agree more.

[dmek25]

matty your right on.vick might be the most over rated name in sports,not just football

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Ugh. Why are people so willing to slurp Vick and no other worthy names? Like I've never seen people who loyal to one player. Again, I won't deny that he's exciting to watch but that's about it. Yes, his presence in the game DOES make his teammates better, but what is up with everyone defending him for the Pro Bowl this year? People SERIOUSLY have man crushes on Ramsey and some are STILL calling for him to play, but I've never seen loyalty the likes of people with Vick.

[MTK]

Vick is in on name alone. Let's not kid ourselves and try to sugar coat it by pointing to wins or his lack of WRs. It's not like he throws to his WRs anyway.

Vick is a HUGE brand name. He's easily the most marketable name in the NFL today. Fans love him because of his incredible physical talents, and I'm not denying the guy is a freak of nature. But as an overall QB, I'm sorry but I can name a bunch of guys who are better QBs than Mike Vick and who were more deserving of a Pro Bowl nod.

[Bozzy]

Chris Cooley should have made the probowl as a TE, what a crock.

Oh well the ProBowl is dumb anyways.

[BigSKINBauer]

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...holm122205.htm

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...holm122205.htm

This guy was giving some serious Redskins love.

[jdlea]

How come last week I was wrong for judging people based on stats, which by the way, included wins, but this week all people want to do is use stats to explain why Vick is overrated.

First of all, the Falcons are one of the worst teams in the league without Michael Vick on the field. He may not be a great passer, but he changes games. You can't honestly tell me that you think coaches lose sleep over Mark Brunell or Drew Bledsoe. That's why Vick gets votes. When coaches and players go up against Mike Vick they have to come up with ways to stop him. If I were coming up with a gameplan against the Skins or Boys I would try to make Brunell or Bledsoe beat me.

Second, Vick has no one but Crumpler and Dunn on offense. Don't give me that "he doesn't throw to recievers" nonsense. He doesn't throw to them because they're garbage. He has one legit target. The offense is him and Dunn. That's it.

Vick is the MVP of his team every single season. Without him, we've seen what happens to the Falcons. Michael Vick changes games and people respect what he can do way more than Brunell or Bledsoe.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jdlea

How come last week I was wrong for judging people based on stats, which by the way, included wins, but this week all people want to do is use stats to explain why Vick is overrated.

First of all, the Falcons are one of the worst teams in the league without Michael Vick on the field. He may not be a great passer, but he changes games. You can't honestly tell me that you think coaches lose sleep over Mark Brunell or Drew Bledsoe. That's why Vick gets votes. When coaches and players go up against Mike Vick they have to come up with ways to stop him. If I were coming up with a gameplan against the Skins or Boys I would try to make Brunell or Bledsoe beat me.

Second, Vick has no one but Crumpler and Dunn on offense. Don't give me that "he doesn't throw to recievers" nonsense. He doesn't throw to them because they're garbage. He has one legit target. The offense is him and Dunn. That's it.

Vick is the MVP of his team every single season. Without him, we've seen what happens to the Falcons. Michael Vick changes games and people respect what he can do way more than Brunell or Bledsoe.

He's still overrated.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

He's still overrated.

Valid argument. You've changed my view of Michael Vick completely, with that in depth analysis.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Valid argument. You've changed my view of Michael Vick completely, with that in depth analysis.

I wasn't trying to change anyone's view, but if it changed yours that's great!

That's about as in depth as you have to get with Vick.

He's overrated, simple as that.

His numbers are garbage for a QB. So he wins when he's in the lineup... yeah that's great. Are you telling me Dallas or Washington would have won the same amount of games if you took away Bledsoe and Brunell?

He's a great athlete, but from a pure QB standpoint his name carries him. The Pro Bowl is a popularity contest most of the time so it's not surprising Vick is in, I just don't think it's justified based on his play.