Current Redskins Salary Cap Status - 2009

[an23dy]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Do we have the cap space to cut Jansen if he looses out to someone?

Release fee for Jansen is a little over $6 million. I don't think we have that space or would want to cut him rather than just leave him on the bench. I think I saw an article saying we had around $5 million in space before the draft, after signing H. Smith and Orakpo and the draft guys I don't see it even with an extra million. Maybe a little more room to pick up a Khary Campbell type.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by an23dy

Release fee for Jansen is a little over $6 million. I don't think we have that space or would want to cut him rather than just leave him on the bench. I think I saw an article saying we had around $5 million in space before the draft, after signing H. Smith and Orakpo and the draft guys I don't see it even with an extra million. Maybe a little more room to pick up a Khary Campbell type.

Yeah but I think they have that much space and it makes me wonder why they have that much. Normaly they use it all except for about 2 mil, for the season.

[an23dy]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Yeah but I think they have that much space and it makes me wonder why they have that much. Normaly they use it all except for about 2 mil, for the season.

I know a little about our cap situation, but a lot of my numbers are estimates, and I'm sure there are people that are more up to date than me. I think right now we have about 2 or 3 million in cap space. We had $5 million, then this one million added gives us $6 million, Hunter Smith is probably around $1 million, the rookies will probably be about $3 or $4 million. So that leaves maybe $2 or $3 million when you think about players dropping out of the top 51. Again all estimates on numbers I've seen in various places.

[SBXVII]

would we have room for....

Cowboys plan to release or trade DE Ellis after 11 seasons together

with him being pissed at the Cowboys he might help us. lol.

[CrazyCanuck]

After Jansen's release and most of the signings (not including draft picks) I have us at $2.071M of cap room.

The draft picks are already accounted for in the cap with the rookie pool, and the remaining signings will likely all be at the league min so they won't affect the cap situation cuz of the rule of 51.

[CrazyCanuck]

PS - The Skins are up to $17.7M of deadcap for 2009, or 14% of our total cap limit. Feels about right.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

PS - The Skins are up to $17.7M of deadcap for 2009, or 14% of our total cap limit. Feels about right.

LOL. Took the words right out of my mouth. It's what we do. Overpay, restructure, release, repeat.

[steveo395]

Are your Santana Moss numbers right?

ProFootballTalk.com - New Santana Moss Deal Offsets Jansen Cap Charge

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GMScud

LOL. Took the words right out of my mouth. It's what we do. Overpay, restructure, release, repeat.

Not to quote my self, but....

We restructure a 30 year old with a new deal that will run until he's into his mid-30's, and I suspect a year or two before said deal is up we'll probably be talking about whether or not we should cut him (especially if Thomas and Kelly come around), he's lost a step, etc etc etc.

Although I guess if we don't have a salary cap moving forward it won't matter.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

After Jansen's release and most of the signings (not including draft picks) I have us at $2.071M of cap room.

The draft picks are already accounted for in the cap with the rookie pool, and the remaining signings will likely all be at the league min so they won't affect the cap situation cuz of the rule of 51.

Does this include the Moss's restructure we keep hearing about lately?

[skinsfan69]

I don't even pay attention to the cap anymore. It's almost useless. For the most part we sign anyone we want and never go into cap hell.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't even pay attention to the cap anymore. It's almost useless. For the most part we sign anyone we want and never go into cap hell.

In many ways though, we have been in cap hell for the last three years. The veteran purge in 2006 that Peter King spoke of never, ever came to reality, but that doesn't mean the cap hasn't helped shape our refocus on the draft.

It seems though, that the cap affects the Redskins much more subtlety than anyone would have thought. The cap this year ultimately didn't prevent us from getting Haynesworth, chasing Cutler, or releasing Jansen, but we went almost exclusively defense in the draft because we created a majority of our cap room by parting ways with Springs, Washington, Evans, and Taylor, and at least three of those players would still be on the team if 2009 were uncapped.

It's also led to poor planning. If I told you we could keep Washington simply by keeping Jansen, you'd obviously take that. But we released Washington figuring we'd need that cap room in some way. Turns out, we didn't need it, so we used it to eat Jansen's cap hit. So now, we're down two veterans: one half cap casulty half personnel decision, and one personnel decision. We probably would have been better off with Marcus though.

Plus, we haven't been able to offer market value extensions to young talent on our roster like McIntosh and Rogers because of cap constraints, not to mention that Montgomery could have easily gotten away if another team had been daring enough to offer him a competitive contract. We would have gotten a 5th rounder in compensation for a 25 year old nose.

The thing is, if we continue to draft will, the salary cap is not designed to prevent us from competing. If we draft poorly, the free agency structure isn't sufficient to save us from the bottom of the barrel. It's just life in the NFL; our hand is often forced by cap constraints. Just not so overtly.

[freddyg12]

Some really good comments here, thanks CC, Schneed & GT.

Does anyone remember when all this restructuring started? The reason I ask is that it seems it really became a hallmark of Gibbs' tenure. He valued veterans & wanted to keep those guys on the roster when other teams might've just cut them.

So, since Gibbs has been gone are we likely to see less restructures pushing bonuses forward?
Of course there have been restructures since Gibbs left, but assuming the cap remains in a new cba, I'm thinking that gradually vinny will build through the draft & try to substantially reduce restructuring deals that push cap space to the future.

[SBXVII]

^ Don't blame Gibbs. He had to learn about restructuring. I think it's just DS learning new ways to get around the CAP. Will it hurt us....everyone and all of us say yes but every yr we seem to get out of CAP hell.

[The Goat]

When the gurus have time can we can an uptodate number on the cap...post the JT release which I'm pretty sure helps us quite a bit.

Thank you!