The "Inside Word" on the QB Search

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Can you imagine trying to sell Matt Flynn to your owner a year after selling Beck and Grossman as two guys you can count on? I mean, here's a guy who is less accomplished than Grossman.

That would be the punchline of the Snyder era. I know generally you don't want the owner to meddle in the personnel decisions, but I don't see how you could get the check-writer to sign off on that without tranquilizers.

I guess I'm the clueless one. Cause I see a huge selling point.... the fact Flynn has not been cut or fired from any organization, the fact he has had stability at coaching, the fact he has played in only a couple or few games and managed them well with out throwing INT's like Grossman and Beck. He has not been on the field that much taking hits so he's relatively healthy. and he's proven he can be accurate and has a strong arm.

What did I miss?

Oh..... he has not taken a team to a SB.

I still want the Skins to draft a Rookie and whoever plays better gets the job, I just want Grossman and Beck gone.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I agree to an extent. Problem is that they've been trying to fix his mechanics since he got in the league with little to show for it. The guy is obviously very athletically talented and through shear athleticwill/ ability at times can overcome poor mechanics but in the long run his mechanics are going to limit his overall success unless he miraculously becomes more coachable in that regard. Once the league really gets a book on him the one-trick pony act, as good as it can be, won't be enough.

In any case I'd love to see them make a good run because for all the crap he gets he is a good guy and isn't a total QB loss like so many believe.

Sometimes teams need to overlook some flaws and just play to the players talents. Bret Favre was traded away from the Falcons because they couldn't "fix" his throwing motion. Green Bay tried to "fix" it then just gave up and told him to play. Look what Bret did for them.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Forgot the thread you posed this question, but I meant to answer it. Been away for the past week.


Would I be ok with signing Flynn and drafting a developmental QB in the draft.



See, there are two issues I have with the "signing flynn" portion of this.

1) Is he even better than the guys we have?

2) What type of coin is he wanting?


Flynn was graded as a low end QB, in the draft, based on his skills and collegiate performance. I personally think the guy has just flourished in the current system he's in and will most likely end up being the type of QB he was graded as. (low end) That's just my opinion. He very well could be the next coming of Tom Brady, but you won't know that until he plays in another system with different players.

I would be fine with bringing Flynn in only if the contract was modest and he actually beat the competition in training camp. I'm not willing to say "let's bring this guy in as the unquestioned starter".

Let me try to help out with your issues here:


1. Is he better than Beck and Grossman? He is clearly better than Beck even though Flynn has only been in a handful of games. I think he is better than Grossman because he has not shown any proclivity to turn the ball over with INTs or fumbles. Grossman does that about twice a game...


2. What type of coin is he wanting? The answer is very simple. He wants as much as his agent can squeeze out of a team. If there are multiple teams that want his services, that can lead to a bidding war; if there is only one interested "buyer" for his services, then the single buyer has a ton of leverage. My guess is that he gets a fat deal...

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Agreed, and I think it's premature to judge what his ceiling is yet. Steve Young early on in his career was a 50% passer and developed into one of the more accurate QBs in league history. Gotta give the kid time.

Funny thing I heard ESPN Mike/Mike talking about Tebow's comp% and Greenie mentioned Eli Manning comp% as a rook.

It reminded me of a post I had in another forum:
4 sub-50% comp QBs in this first 8(ish) starts that turned out to be pretty good:Elway, Bledsoe, McNabb, Eli Manning-
2 have won a SB, 3 have been to the SB, and all are multiple pro-bowlers:
(Never mind the wins and the 9 rushing TDs and the 615 rushing yards and the 1st downs that go along with those yards)

Tebow:
46.9 comp % 1,363 yards 12 TDs 4 INTs 79.8 QB rating
(these stats haven't been updated since Nov.19th)

Theirs:
12 starts 49.1% 948 yards 8 TDs 7 INTs 5.9 YPA 77.8 QB rating
13 starts 49.9% 2494 yards 15 TDs 15 INTs 5.8 YPA 65.0 QB rating
9 starts 48.2% 1043 yards 6 TDs 9 INTs 5.3 YPA 55.4 QB rating
11 starts 47.5 1663 yards 7 TDs 14 INTs 6.4 YPA 54.9 QB rating

[GTripp0012]

Everyone on that list but Eli had their formative years prior to the passing explosion of the middle of the decade. And Eli was kind of a rare bird. He was accurate in college, but couldn't drive the football at all his first four-ish years in the league. Really looked like a bust. Since then, he's had no problem throwing the ball accurately to any part of the field.

Eli will still have days where he can't keep the ball from diving every which way on him, but for the most part he throws one of the better footballs in the league. It's clear now that the fluke was the early part of his career.

I wouldn't be shocked if Tebow developed into one of the more accurate passers in the league. Right now, he has a comfort issue from the pocket. If the pocket and throwing lanes are clean, Tebow drives the football really well. If he's about to take a hit, he loses focus and strides away from the target, and the ball comes out erratically.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

I think he is better than Grossman because he has not shown any proclivity to turn the ball over with INTs or fumbles. Grossman does that about twice a game..

Flynn has thrown five INTs and fumbled three times in what amounts to about a three or four game career. It's hard to draw many conclusions from that, but it's a red flag that if you aren't very careful with the ball in your audition to be a starter, it's easy to be careless when you have that job security.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Forgot the thread you posed this question, but I meant to answer it. Been away for the past week.


Would I be ok with signing Flynn and drafting a developmental QB in the draft.



See, there are two issues I have with the "signing flynn" portion of this.

1) Is he even better than the guys we have?

2) What type of coin is he wanting?


Flynn was graded as a low end QB, in the draft, based on his skills and collegiate performance. I personally think the guy has just flourished in the current system he's in and will most likely end up being the type of QB he was graded as. (low end) That's just my opinion. He very well could be the next coming of Tom Brady, but you won't know that until he plays in another system with different players.

I would be fine with bringing Flynn in only if the contract was modest and he actually beat the competition in training camp. I'm not willing to say "let's bring this guy in as the unquestioned starter".

Exactly. Not giving any compensation to GB and not paying him a lot of $. I go back to Kevin Kolb. He had some big games for Philly and how's that working out for AZ. year one? I prefer to go out and get our own guy, play him day one and live with his mistakes.

[SBXVII]

I saw this Mock and although I really don't have a problem with the #1 pick... I think the rest suck.

2012 NFL Mock Draft 7 Round Washington Redskins: Robert Griffin III a Lock - NFL Mocks - Covering the 2012 NFL draft, Mock Draft Database, Scouting Reports, and Fantasy Football

[SBXVII]

More P.Manning talk... Colts will probably trade or cut him and 4 teams should be interested... one being the Skins.

Peyton Manning Trade Rumors: 4 Plausible Destinations for the MVP Quarterback | Bleacher Report

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

More P.Manning talk... Colts will probably trade or cut him and 4 teams should be interested... one being the Skins.

Peyton Manning Trade Rumors: 4 Plausible Destinations for the MVP Quarterback | Bleacher Report

Quoting the Bleacher Report is like using your UPS man as an unnamed source. Until it comes from the mouth of Schefter, Mort or Glazer, I'm not buying it.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Flynn has thrown five INTs and fumbled three times in what amounts to about a three or four game career. It's hard to draw many conclusions from that, but it's a red flag that if you aren't very careful with the ball in your audition to be a starter, it's easy to be careless when you have that job security.

Echoing what you previously mentioned, I'd rather see us bring in Chad Henne than Matt Flynn. Flynn is going to be a hugely expensive risk. He's going to command a top 12 QB salary off of what amounts to 1/8 of a seasons work over 4 seasons. Just doesn't make sense. He is far from a sure thing or a proven QB.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Quoting the Bleacher Report is like using your UPS man as an unnamed source. Until it comes from the mouth of Schefter, Mort or Glazer, I'm not buying it.

I agree. There should be a rule that BR is not allowed to be cited in anyway as a source for potential personnel moves.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

I agree. There should be a rule that BR is not allowed to be cited in anyway as a source for potential personnel moves.

I second this.

[MTK]

Seriously, I never even bother clicking on a BR link.

I always picture some 12 year old kid writing those "articles".

[CultBrennan59]

Bleecher is good for mock drafts, that involve no inside info or knowledge just pure guessing. Its all pictures.