Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Ah nobody....

I am just saying I much rather have a draft like last year and stay somewhat quiet in FA and continue to build toward being a solid team a few years down the road. Versus this optimistic (dimensionally) approach that we are only a few parts away from a dynasty.

To bring PM here is just plain dumb becasue by the time we get everything around him working he will be too old. To bring PM here is to say we are happy with 9 and 10 win seasons for the next few years then start all over again. No thank you.

If we were trading picks away for manning, or paying him so much money that we had to skimp on other areas of the team, then you might have a legitimate argument. But thats not the case, so you don't. getting manning does not cost us any draft picks and we have so much cap room we can pay him what he deserves and still make significant, intelligent, upgrades in free agency.

take manning our of hte equation and our team is already better than the colts. add manning and we're an immediate contender. and thats BEFORE free agency and the draft. Manning will likely go down in history as the greatest quarterback to ever play the game. There has never been another quarterback who has the same understanding the game and defenses as Manning. He reads defenses and changes the play to be successful nearly every snap. No one else has ever done that as consistently and as successfully as Peyton Manning.


We've got oodles of cap room and a ton of draft picks. What you dont seem to be able to grasp is that signing manning does absolutly nothing to hurt our chances to build a successful team long-term. In fact, signing Manning would HELP us build for long-term success while still being competitive now.

Whats your alternative? Roll with Kyle Orton? Mortgage the future by trading up for RGIII and not have other young players to build around.

Signing manning allows us time to develop our entire roster so by the time our young qb of the future is ready, weve got good talent around him.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Said also the 2011 Philadelphia Eagles and the 2000 Washington Redskins...


As Redskins fans we should learn it is never that easy.

You mean the team that gave Michael Vick 100 mil and no offensive line whatsoever, spent on Nnamdi when they had Asante Samuel and DRC, made their offensive line coach their defensive coordinator, and let the whole DJax situation spill into the season? Not to mention having a head coach with the worst clock management in the history of the NFL.

How is that different from acquiring a healthy P. Manning at a reasonable price (when was the last time BA overpaid for someone), drafting the best guard in the draft (DeCastro), drafting a QB to learn behind Manning, adding quality players through the draft, and continue to the develop the young talent we drafted last year (Helu, Kerrigan, Hank, Jenkins, etc., etc.). All this while probably having enough cap room to add a true #1 WR and add depth to our defense.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

A healthy Manning would undoubtedly make a big difference, add in the draft and $50M to spend on free agents and this team could be a lot better in a hurry.

Uh oh, your too positive for the "we suck" crowd.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Uh oh, your too positive for the "we suck" crowd.

People sure are grumpy lately huh

Must be the football DT's

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

A healthy Manning would undoubtedly make a big difference, add in the draft and $50M to spend on free agents and this team could be a lot better in a hurry.

We can't build a team with FA's, haven't we learned this in the past. Sign 2 FA's MAX that are coming in here to start from another team. 2 is the max, anything more than that and we'll look like the eagles of last year.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

We can't build a team with FA's, haven't we learned this in the past. Sign 2 FA's MAX that are coming in here to start from another team. 2 is the max, anything more than that and we'll look like the eagles of last year.

our problem in the past was using our cap space by trading draft picks for players and overpaying for over the hill veterans on the decline with character concerns. theres nothing wrong with signing free agents and we have to spend the cap room somehow. No one could complain if we signed manning and spent money on some solid o-linemen and on high character, solid, FA WRs like Wayne, Colston, Garcon.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

our problem in the past was using our cap space by trading draft picks for players and overpaying for over the hill veterans on the decline with character concerns. theres nothing wrong with signing free agents and we have to spend the cap room somehow. No one could complain if we signed manning and spent money on some solid o-linemen and on high character, solid, FA WRs like Wayne, Colston, Garcon.

how many big name free agents did the giants sign this offseason? 1 David Baas. How many did the eagles sign? 9, and where we're they? No where near the playoffs. Both those teams draft well.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

We can't build a team with FA's, haven't we learned this in the past. Sign 2 FA's MAX that are coming in here to start from another team. 2 is the max, anything more than that and we'll look like the eagles of last year.

I think he was JS the team has many options

[The Goat]

This is easily the best thread so far this year.

One comment: it's very difficult to add a bunch of new pieces though FA and the draft with immediate (same year) results. It just doesn't happen often. PM would be an instant upgrade...huge upgrade. The other FA additions are big ?. We could spend a hell of a lot on offense FA guys and not get much bang for the buck, just as we spent a small fortune last season on defense FA guys like Bowen and Turd Ferguson for marginal impact.

[skinsfaninok]

sometimes you guys kill me, Why would anyone say No to a player like PM? Even if we sign him we can draft a QB, It's crazy to think some would rather not sign Manning (a future HOF) who is still pretty damn good and Healthy, yes I think he's healthy enough to play

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

sometimes you guys kill me, Why would anyone say No to a player like PM? Even if we sign him we can draft a QB, It's crazy to think some would rather not sign Manning (a future HOF) who is still pretty damn good and Healthy, yes I think he's healthy enough to play

Just a week ago it was reported via (Mike Lombardi) Manning still can't fully grip the ball or throw against his body. Receivers said his passes lacked velocity and zip, and you think this guy is ready to play football?

No way, at least not this season.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Just a week ago it was reported via (Mike Lombardi) Manning still can't fully grip the ball or throw against his body. Receivers said his passes lacked velocity and zip, and you think this guy is ready to play football?

No way, at least not this season.

And other reports were Manning was getting better and better , just depends on who tells the story.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Just a week ago it was reported via (Mike Lombardi) Manning still can't fully grip the ball or throw against his body. Receivers said his passes lacked velocity and zip, and you think this guy is ready to play football?

No way, at least not this season.

Then Poillon came out saying that was all BS and that he has witnessed PM making all the throws but no farther then 25yrds.

Believe what everyone wants.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

sometimes you guys kill me, Why would anyone say No to a player like PM? Even if we sign him we can draft a QB, It's crazy to think some would rather not sign Manning (a future HOF) who is still pretty damn good and Healthy, yes I think he's healthy enough to play

Because those of us fans who use common sense understand PM or no PM the team can still draft whoever they want as QB because PM does not effect draft picks.

But it doesn't matter... we suck. (<sarcasm)

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Because those of us fans who use common sense understand PM or no PM the team can still draft whoever they want as QB because PM does not effect draft picks.

But it doesn't matter... we suck. (<sarcasm)

Oh wait.. We can have Manning and the 6 pick too???