Official Redskins Off-Season News & Rumors-Part Trois

[skinsguy]

Sure, bring him in ! Why not?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by RGIII

Briscoe hardly was active. Why do so many fans not realize that it's but so many balls to throw around? It's not realistic to line up 4+ WRs every down when this team runs so well and had very talented TEs and a FB. Royal is simply not needed. Nor is Briscoe. I imagine he's frustrated for that very same reason. I can understand concern for Moss getting up there in age but, he's very solid and consistent. There will be an opportunity in the future to find his successor. There's simply no need to stockpile WRs that won't see playing time.

and the downside of bringing him in is what exactly?

let's say a WR gets hurt like garcon did last year. wouldn't royal be a better injury replacement than briscoe?

i sure think so.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Briscoe was absolutely terrible last year. He had the drops all season. One of the UDFAs is an upgrade over that guy.

I am still shocked he even has a roster spot.

[SmootSmack]

New advance scout-Larry Coyer. The same guy who was Shanny's DC in Denver

[RGIII]

Originally Posted by That Guy

and the downside of bringing him in is what exactly?

let's say a WR gets hurt like garcon did last year. wouldn't royal be a better injury replacement than briscoe?

i sure think so.

The downside is the possibility of screwing with team chemistry. Bringing in Royal at this point of the season is a Vinny Cerrato move minus the bonehead contract.

And to answer your question, if Garçon goes down, (and he did last year) Briscoe still didn't 'play' other than serve as a decoy. You guys are liking Royal to a stud fantasy player but, the truth is he's no better than Moss, Garçon, or Morgan given the same opportunities.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by RGIII

The downside is the possibility of screwing with team chemistry. Bringing in Royal at this point of the season is a Vinny Cerrato move minus the bonehead contract.

And to answer your question, if Garçon goes down, (and he did last year) Briscoe still didn't 'play' other than serve as a decoy. You guys are liking Royal to a stud fantasy player but, the truth is he's no better than Moss, Garçon, or Morgan given the same opportunities.

If one of the receivers goes down, how is putting Royal in the game going to mess with chemistry more than putting Briscoe in? Its not like Briscoe is getting tons of reps, as you said, he didnt even play when the injuries happened. Well, then there is no chemistry to mess up when it comes to Briscoe.

If you have the opportunity to upgrade the team without a huge salary cap hit, then you do it.

This all may be a mute point anyways since there is a chance we keep 4 TE's this year. Meaning Briscoe may already be replaced by Jordan Reed.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by RGIII

The downside is the possibility of screwing with team chemistry. Bringing in Royal at this point of the season is a Vinny Cerrato move minus the bonehead contract.

And to answer your question, if Garçon goes down, (and he did last year) Briscoe still didn't 'play' other than serve as a decoy. You guys are liking Royal to a stud fantasy player but, the truth is he's no better than Moss, Garçon, or Morgan given the same opportunities.

VC brought in high profile names at high cost, Shanallen has brought many medium level players and let them compete, that's how you build team chemistry.

[CultBrennan59]

People didn't mention this already, but Chris Russell of ESPN980 was watching practice and said/tweeted:

#Redskins observations from OTA's : Niles Paul blew past rookie safety Phillip Thomas on what looked to be a wheel route for a long gain/TD.

#Redskins observations from OTA's : Glimpse of the (near?) future - Several times, saw Amerson at RCB, Thomas/Rambo at S, R. Crawford @ LCB.

#Redskins observations from OTA's : A few times saw #Redskins use this alignment in nickel. DHall at LCB, Crawford at RCB w/ EJ Biggers-slot

#Redskins observations from OTA's - Rookies David Amerson and Bacarri Rambo each had a INT against Rex Grossman. Rambo was at FS for his.

#Redskins observations from OTA's : After throwing two straight picks, Rex dialed up a long ball to Aldrick Robinson beating Amerson/Gomes.

#Redskins observations from OTA's - RB Jawan Jamison had a nice "2nd level wiggle" on 1 run (@John_Keim) & did nice job in pass pro mirror.
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So what I gather from that (of course its way to early to start coming to conclusions)

- Amerson is looking just like he did in college: great coverage one play, beat the next.

- Phillip Thomas is getting burned by Niles Paul. Not helping his case with me saying he doesn't have the speed to play in the NFL.

- Rambo looking like a good/great pick (as a lot of us had thought and hoped)

- Skins are using Biggers at the Slot, although I read (I think in PFF) that he is a lot better outside than in the slot. Interesting.

- Jawan Jamison getting attention already. I can think back to this time last year and Chris Russell was saying noticeable things about a guy named Alfred Morris.. I could easily see him & Thompson both on the roster and Royster and Helu gone.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

People didn't mention this already, but Chris Russell of ESPN980 was watching practice and said/tweeted:

#Redskins observations from OTA's : Niles Paul blew past rookie safety Phillip Thomas on what looked to be a wheel route for a long gain/TD.

#Redskins observations from OTA's : Glimpse of the (near?) future - Several times, saw Amerson at RCB, Thomas/Rambo at S, R. Crawford @ LCB.

#Redskins observations from OTA's : A few times saw #Redskins use this alignment in nickel. DHall at LCB, Crawford at RCB w/ EJ Biggers-slot

#Redskins observations from OTA's - Rookies David Amerson and Bacarri Rambo each had a INT against Rex Grossman. Rambo was at FS for his.

#Redskins observations from OTA's : After throwing two straight picks, Rex dialed up a long ball to Aldrick Robinson beating Amerson/Gomes.

#Redskins observations from OTA's - RB Jawan Jamison had a nice "2nd level wiggle" on 1 run (@John_Keim) & did nice job in pass pro mirror.
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So what I gather from that (of course its way to early to start coming to conclusions)

- Amerson is looking just like he did in college: great coverage one play, beat the next.

- Phillip Thomas is getting burned by Niles Paul. Not helping his case with me saying he doesn't have the speed to play in the NFL.

- Rambo looking like a good/great pick (as a lot of us had thought and hoped)

- Skins are using Biggers at the Slot, although I read (I think in PFF) that he is a lot better outside than in the slot. Interesting.

- Jawan Jamison getting attention already. I can think back to this time last year and Chris Russell was saying noticeable things about a guy named Alfred Morris.. I could easily see him & Thompson both on the roster and Royster and Helu gone.

Even though Niles Paul runs a 4.5. Yeah one play in practice isn't gonna tell me that he doesn't have the "speed" to play in the NFL.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by RGIII

The downside is the possibility of screwing with team chemistry. Bringing in Royal at this point of the season is a Vinny Cerrato move minus the bonehead contract.

And to answer your question, if Garçon goes down, (and he did last year) Briscoe still didn't 'play' other than serve as a decoy. You guys are liking Royal to a stud fantasy player but, the truth is he's no better than Moss, Garçon, or Morgan given the same opportunities.

Well that was a pretty out there statement.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Even though Niles Paul runs a 4.5. Yeah one play in practice isn't gonna tell me that he doesn't have the "speed" to play in the NFL.

Like I said its just something to keep note of/see how he does during training camp. And a lot of the scouting reports said that he is good at covering the slot, so Niles running a 4.5 is a moot point, being that Phillip is supposed/expected to cover guys just as fast, if not faster.

Hopefully I can look back at this in a month and say "Yeah he really improved" and not "well, kind of saw this coming"

[skinsfaninok]

Let's wait until the real games begin. Then we'll see

[CRedskinsRule]

I think the first hand twitter observations were cool. thanks for posting those. I doubt you can draw any conclusions or speculations though, because this early on coaches are going to be shuffling combinations just to have tape to review, and being that the rookies are hardly out of college it would be odd to me if there college strengths and weaknesses weren't highlighted so coaches can show and coach these guys. its not like just putting on an nfl uniform suddenly makes players change there tendencies.

[Skinzman]

To the Niles Paul blowing past Philip Thomas statement. Sounds more like Thomas misread the play. Paul runs a 4.5, Thomas runs in the 4.6-4.7 range. Sounds like he expected a short pattern and planted his feet. If it happens all the time, I see the point. But once in OTA's isnt exactly the end of his career.

Troy Polamalu does not have very good top end speed. He just understands angles and has the instincts to be moving in the right direction before he should be. The best safeties arent necessarily the fastest ones, its the ones who have the best instincts. Even Troy and Ed Reed have been burned before.

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

The best safeties arent necessarily the fastest ones, its the ones who have the best instincts. Even Troy and Ed Reed have been burned before.

Agreed. The safety can be 15-20 yards back from scrimmage. The 4.5 receiver runs 20 yards forward, and safety runs 5-10-15 to meet the receiver (with good angles). They still need speed, but they're not starting from the same point on the field -- so angles / instincts are more important.