Republican nominee for President

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

Trump is just unreal. Fear mongering at it's best.

Saying true numbers is now fear mongering? Have u seen Baltimore's murder rate? Have you watched the world news? Do you honestly believe this world is a safer place then 8 years ago? 4 years ago?

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[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Saying true numbers is now fear mongering? Have u seen Baltimore's murder rate? Have you watched the world news? Do you honestly believe this world is a safer place then 8 years ago? 4 years ago?

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I do

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/oba...y-2016-update/

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

I do

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/oba...y-2016-update/

Seriously! Unbelievable and disappointing Matty. How can this country expect to move forward when it cannot even be stated that violence is getting worse. I mean its just self evident. Walk down a street in Baltimore and have a man whisper "help me" and look up and see 4 youths walking in a predatory manner past your niece nephew and then try to feed me that load of bull.

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[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Seriously! Unbelievable and disappointing Matty. How can this country expect to move forward when it cannot even be stated that violence is getting worse. I mean its just self evident. Walk down a street in Baltimore and have a man whisper "help me" and look up and see 4 youths walking in a predatory manner past your niece nephew and then try to feed me that load of bull.

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Sorry you don't like facts

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/due...n-crime-trend/

[Hog1]

What has been inaccurate?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Hog1

What has been inaccurate?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by MTK

I'll take your response as you......got....nothing?

[Schneed10]

Very strong delivery from Trump. When he shouts it comes across energetic and strong. When Hillary shouts she comes across like a grandmother scolding me for spoiling my appetite.

[CRedskinsRule]

Or go to Chicago and see multiple homicides daily. Or go to Nice France and tell them that. Its frickin unbelievable.

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[CRedskinsRule]

No. I don't like the dismissal of the deaths of THOUSANDS of inner city Americans by couching numbers in am aggregate that masks the reality of our cities. The spike is even noted in your link.

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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

No. I don't like the dismissal of the deaths of THOUSANDS of inner city Americans by couching numbers in am aggregate that masks the reality of our cities. The spike is even noted in your link.

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I will add that I guess if the democratic party's argument is "hey its ok cuz only 350 of you in Baltimore have to die this year so stop your bellyaching " Well doesn't seem like a winning argument to me but go ahead and use it . I tend to think we ought to be striving for better and that EVERY American ought not to have a problem acknowledging the fact that thousands of inner city lives are lost across this country each year and we have to work together to reduce and try to end the violence.

So back to the initial statement, in my opinion, Its not fear mongering to say inner city lives matter equally to those in suburbia and rural America. Its just the truth. Sorry if you don't believe it.

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[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I will add that I guess if the democratic party's argument is "hey its ok cuz only 350 of you in Baltimore have to die this year so stop your bellyaching " Well doesn't seem like a winning argument to me but go ahead and use it . I tend to think we ought to be striving for better and that EVERY American ought not to have a problem acknowledging the fact that thousands of inner city lives are lost across this country each year and we have to work together to reduce and try to end the violence.

So back to the initial statement, in my opinion, Its not fear mongering to say inner city lives matter equally to those in suburbia and rural America. Its just the truth. Sorry if you don't believe it.

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Not sure how we got this far down the rabbit hole. I was just tossing out the point his speech was filled with a lot of fear mongering, which it was and plenty of news outlets are making the same point this morning.

And I refuted the fact that we aren't safer now than we were 4 or 8 years ago, sorry but the overall numbers support that. Violent crime has been on the decline since 91 and an occasional uptick does not mean we're in a death spiral. I certainly never discounted the fact violence is a major issue in some places or said that everything is fine and dandy. But again, big picture violent crime has been tending down for quite some time.

Trump painted a very dark picture last night and as usual used a very broad brush. He's tapped into people's fears very well... fear of crime, terrorism, immigrants, etc. And of course he has all the answers to fix it.

Sadly there are a lot of small minded people out there eating this up hook line and sinker.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

Not sure how we got this far down the rabbit hole. I was just tossing out the point his speech was filled with a lot of fear mongering, which it was and plenty of news outlets are making the same point this morning.

And I refuted the fact that we aren't safer now than we were 4 or 8 years ago, sorry but the overall numbers support that. Violent crime has been on the decline since 91 and an occasional uptick does not mean we're in a death spiral. I certainly never discounted the fact violence is a major issue in some places or said that everything is fine and dandy. But again, big picture violent crime has been tending down for quite some time.

Trump painted a very dark picture last night and as usual used a very broad brush. He's tapped into people's fears very well... fear of crime, terrorism, immigrants, etc. And of course he has all the answers to fix it.

Sadly there are a lot of small minded people out there eating this up hook line and sinker.

lol at the small minded comment.

as for the rabbit hole, admittedly i wrote it at 2 am after waking up from a 1 hour sleep.

I really don't think it was a dark picture if you listened to the whole speech, I think he outlined problems that most sane people acknowledge. We have issues with violence, we have issues with foreign powers, we have issues nearly across the board.

Trump, generally would as a president, most likely set a record for most independent commissions ever formed. I tend to think they would be bipartisan/inclusive, but I may give him to much credit for that. I doubt Hillary will in her 1 hour 15 minute speech outline every single way that her administration would solve each problem, but I do think that the first step in any repair of our country's issues is outlining the candidate's concept of the problem.

I agree with Trump's basic outline of the problems our next president should focus on far more then what I expect Clinton will outline.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

Not sure how we got this far down the rabbit hole. I was just tossing out the point his speech was filled with a lot of fear mongering, which it was and plenty of news outlets are making the same point this morning.

And I refuted the fact that we aren't safer now than we were 4 or 8 years ago, sorry but the overall numbers support that. Violent crime has been on the decline since 91 and an occasional uptick does not mean we're in a death spiral. I certainly never discounted the fact violence is a major issue in some places or said that everything is fine and dandy. But again, big picture violent crime has been tending down for quite some time.

Trump painted a very dark picture last night and as usual used a very broad brush. He's tapped into people's fears very well... fear of crime, terrorism, immigrants, etc. And of course he has all the answers to fix it.

Sadly there are a lot of small minded people out there eating this up hook line and sinker.

Preach brother.....

[MTK]

A spike is not a trend. And sorry, the numbers show we are safer now than 4 or 8 years ago. We're not on the brink of collapse like Trump wants you to think.