Report: Shanahan to DC done deal

[poopoobigelow]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I've got a friend that works with the league on the business side who is a HUGE Raiders fan and knows more about football than almost anyone else I know. I asked him for a scouting report on Shanahallen.

He e-mailed me this morning with the following:
I loved Bruce Allen..... did a great job with the draft as well as signing free agents. Also a big plus.... knows how to work the cap. From what I remember the Raiders always seemed to be on the brink of going over, but he would get them under while still signing quality free agents.

As for Shanahan he is obviously a great offensive mind. He likes a mobile qb and loves to have a several running backs at his disposal. The one concern I have is his defenses were pretty bad the last few years in Denver.....they tried a lot of different defensive coordinators and personal, but nothing seemed to work. Overall if you do hire him I think its going to be a good move. He's well respected, has the rings, and is a proven winner.

Nothing groundbreaking although I was pleasantly surprised to read his assessment of Allen being so positive. I don't think the defensive issues that Shanny had in Denver will necessarily replicate here because we've got a solid core on that side of the ball..

for what it's worth, my father-in-law worked in the NFL for 30 years... he knows bruce and synder (and pretty much anyone that's been in the NFL for years) and he thinks that the bruce allen hire is great... says he's a stand-up guy, very smart, very personable, an excellent GM -- the kind of guy you want to work for/with...

he's not too sure about shanahan being a good choice for us as a coach and thinks allen and shanny working together is "strange"... i'm trying to get him to see if he can find out some inside info from old sources... "i'm retired" is all i've got at this point...

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by poopoobigelow

for what it's worth, my father-in-law worked in the NFL for 30 years... he knows bruce and synder (and pretty much anyone that's been in the NFL for years) and he thinks that the bruce allen hire is great... says he's a stand-up guy, very smart, very personable, an excellent GM -- the kind of guy you want to work for/with...

he's not too sure about shanahan being a good choice for us as a coach and thinks allen and shanny working together is "strange"... i'm trying to get him to see if he can find out some inside info from old sources... "i'm retired" is all i've got at this point...

I thought it a weird combo also but compared to who's possibly out there at GM and considering age Allen may be one of the best. Plus he has worked with HC's who run the WCO. So I actually can see why Shanny wanted to be paired up with Allen.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

i would think if he's been working with Bob Slowik the past few months, that he'd stick with him as DC (or more likely, assistant head coach - defense with Zimmer being defensive coordinator) then he'd stick with him a while.

my main "concern" is that with Shanahan and Slowik planning on running a 3-4 or a hybrid 3-4/4-3 defense, that we may not have the right personnel in our front 7. I don't think any of our linebackers would fit in a 3-4, although carter and Orakpo could slide to play OLB... but do any of our DL really fit the mold of 3-4 d-linemen?

rebuilding is going to take a lot longer if we're doing it on both sides of the ball.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

i would think if he's been working with Bob Slowik the past few months, that he'd stick with him as DC (or more likely, assistant head coach - defense with Zimmer being defensive coordinator) then he'd stick with him a while.

my main "concern" is that with Shanahan and Slowik planning on running a 3-4 or a hybrid 3-4/4-3 defense, that we may not have the right personnel in our front 7. I don't think any of our linebackers would fit in a 3-4, although carter and Orakpo could slide to play OLB... but do any of our DL really fit the mold of 3-4 d-linemen?

rebuilding is going to take a lot longer if we're doing it on both sides of the ball.

I'd think Haynesworth would be a perfect NT in a 3-4 defense.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I'd think Haynesworth would be a perfect NT in a 3-4 defense.

That would be a complete waste of his talent. If anything, he'd be a better 3-4 DE because he could collapse the guard/tackle gap and create blitzing lanes. He's too athletic to just be a space eater NT.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

That would be a complete waste of his talent. If anything, he'd be a better 3-4 DE because he could collapse the guard/tackle gap and create blitzing lanes. He's too athletic to just be a space eater NT.

And not to mention the fact that Haynesworth doesn't (or refuses?) to be just a space eater..

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

i would think if he's been working with Bob Slowik the past few months, that he'd stick with him as DC (or more likely, assistant head coach - defense with Zimmer being defensive coordinator) then he'd stick with him a while.

my main "concern" is that with Shanahan and Slowik planning on running a 3-4 or a hybrid 3-4/4-3 defense, that we may not have the right personnel in our front 7. I don't think any of our linebackers would fit in a 3-4, although carter and Orakpo could slide to play OLB... but do any of our DL really fit the mold of 3-4 d-linemen?

rebuilding is going to take a lot longer if we're doing it on both sides of the ball.

A) Where did you hear that Slowik plans on running a 3-4?
B) Carter would definitely not fit in it since he didn't fit in San Fran's 3-4 when they moved him to OLB, thats why he came to us.
C) Haynesworth can play NT or DE so thats not a problem, Orakpo IS a 3-4 OLB, Anthony montgomery could easily be a NT, Jarmon could possibly plan DE or Lorenzo could. Fletch and Rocky could easily be starting 3-4 MLB's. The biggest questions for us would be one of the DE spots and the other OLB. We could definitley switch to a 3-4 if you ask me.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

A) Where did you hear that Slowik plans on running a 3-4?
B) Carter would definitely not fit in it since he didn't fit in San Fran's 3-4 when they moved him to OLB, thats why he came to us.
C) Haynesworth can play NT or DE so thats not a problem, Orakpo IS a 3-4 OLB, Anthony montgomery could easily be a NT, Jarmon could possibly plan DE or Lorenzo could. Fletch and Rocky could easily be starting 3-4 MLB's. The biggest questions for us would be one of the DE spots and the other OLB. We could definitley switch to a 3-4 if you ask me.

A - It was reported in multiple outlets that Shanahan and Slowik have been sharing an office together researching the steelers and patriots 3-4/hybrid defenses and assembling a coaching staff. You could probably google it if you needed a source. i'm pretty sure it was mentioned here in this (or another similar) thread as well.

B- I agree Carter would not be good as a 3-4 linebacker but atleast he has experience there.

C - Fletchers got the speed to play ILB, but i think his size would really become a liability. You may be right about Rocky and Jarmon though. Not sure about the rest.

Either way, i think we'd need too adjust our defensive personnel much more to switch to a 3-4. if we stick with a 4-3, we really just need to move orakpo up front and get an OLB, free safety, and perhaps a corner. if we switch to a 3-4, we'd need atleast one more LB and DL player. and then compound the problem with everyone having to learn a completely new system.

our personnel is pretty well suited to a 4-3 right now. the problem we've had is that blache is a horrible coordinator that doesnt take advantage of his player's strengths.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

our personnel is pretty well suited to a 4-3 right now. the problem we've had is that blache is a horrible coordinator that doesnt take advantage of his player's strengths.

I agree. I hope we don't switch to a 3-4. That would mean significant building on both sides of the ball.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I agree. I hope we don't switch to a 3-4. That would mean significant building on both sides of the ball.

In addition, our only viable NT candidate for a 3-4 would be Haynesworth, who would surely revolt openly if asked to accept that selfless position.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

A) Where did you hear that Slowik plans on running a 3-4?
B) Carter would definitely not fit in it since he didn't fit in San Fran's 3-4 when they moved him to OLB, thats why he came to us.
C) Haynesworth can play NT or DE so thats not a problem, Orakpo IS a 3-4 OLB, Anthony montgomery could easily be a NT, Jarmon could possibly plan DE or Lorenzo could. Fletch and Rocky could easily be starting 3-4 MLB's. The biggest questions for us would be one of the DE spots and the other OLB. We could definitley switch to a 3-4 if you ask me.

This is from the Steel Curtain.....

[QUOTE]
“From ”http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter" target="new">Adam Schefter Steelers Dir. of Football Ops Kevin Colbert took Mike Shanahan to lunch and set him up to study tape after. Steelers beyond accommodating."
And then this:
Adam_Schefter: Shanahan going to study Steelers for a few days, then on to New England to study the Pats. Learning from two of the best organizations.[/QUOTE]

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

This is from the Steel Curtain.....

[QUOTE]
“From ”http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter" target="new">Adam Schefter Steelers Dir. of Football Ops Kevin Colbert took Mike Shanahan to lunch and set him up to study tape after. Steelers beyond accommodating."
And then this:
Adam_Schefter: Shanahan going to study Steelers for a few days, then on to New England to study the Pats. Learning from two of the best organizations.[/QUOTE]

Do you think that maybe he was watching these two organizations just because they've been 2 of the best teams from the past two years, and they're consistent winners??

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Do you think that maybe he was watching these two organizations just because they've been 2 of the best teams from the past two years, and they're consistent winners??

I couldn't find it but like someone else said it might be somewhere closer to the front of this thread, but Schefter recently again said that during the off season Shanahan was observing both of those teams cause he wants to install a 3-4 defense. He went on to say he and Slowick are interested in installing either a 3-4 or 3-4 hybrid. He then went on to mention that both were either looking into or talking with Zimmer about being apart of their team. I think it's obvious they couldn't talk to him until the season is over or unless they get permission to talk to him. So it's only rumors right now.

but I'll add that I keep hearing that Schefter and Shanahan are close and talk all the time. If there is info coming out from him its almost golden cause no one else is getting anything out of Shanahan.

[mack56 TylerJ_skins]

I know ho everyone wants to get rid of portis but i think bruce could keep him around for another year if shanny comes, because he produced in that denver offense

[tryfuhl]

How often do big time accommodations like this happen?