Coaching Staff update

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I think he's done a good job in SF with what he inherited on the line, he was probably responsible with his input on drafting Chilo Rachal. It's hard to evaluate after only 2 years. We'll see.

Years Coaching Background Head Coach
2009-Current Offensive Line San Francisco 49ers - Mike Singletary
2008 Offensive Line San Francisco 49ers - Mike Nolan
2005-2007 Offensive Line/Assistant Head Coach Baltimore Ravens - Brian Billick
2004 Offensive Coordinator Miami Dolphins - Jim Bates, Dave Wannstedt
2002-2003 Tight Ends Indianapolis Colts - Tony Dungy
1996-2001 Offensive Line Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Tony Dungy
1993-1995 Assistant Offensive Line/Tight Ends Minnesota Vikings - Dennis Green
1992 Offensive Line University of Minnesota - Jim Wacker
1988-1991 Assistant Offensive Line/Special Teams Stanford - Jack Elway & Dennis Green
1983-1988 Offensive Line Colorado State - Leon Fuller
1982 Graduate Assistant Colorado State - Leon Fuller

He's had the opportunity in his twenty-eight yr. coaching history to work with some very good coaches. The OL is going to be the most closely watched group as far as additions and development, needless to say he obviously has a plan knowing the state of the product we were forced to field last season. I'm anxious to see what he, along with the other additions to the coaching staff will do to improve the team we'll field in 2010.

[CultBrennan59]

I feel like we hired this guy just to hire someone, not because we really wanted him.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I feel like we hired this guy just to hire someone, not because we really wanted him.

Any particular reason for this, or just the normal redskins cynicism? I tend to be optimistic this time of year, but I think that most, if not all, of these hires show reflective thought, and not just the throw up the hands and hire someone mentality. Looking at the production each individual coach has gotten from players during their tenure, it sure seems offensively that they all have a pretty good grasp on getting the most out of the players they have been responsible for.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Any particular reason for this, or just the normal redskins cynicism? I tend to be optimistic this time of year, but I think that most, if not all, of these hires show reflective thought, and not just the throw up the hands and hire someone mentality. Looking at the production each individual coach has gotten from players during their tenure, it sure seems offensively that they all have a pretty good grasp on getting the most out of the players they have been responsible for.

Because our first two guys we wanted didn't accept the job, and we have very little to no time before scouting in the college games like the shrine game and senior bowl starts, and this guy hasn't worked with zone blocking teams like the broncos or texans. Thats why I'm being a negative nancy.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Because our first two guys we wanted didn't accept the job, and we have very little to no time before scouting in the college games like the shrine game and senior bowl starts, and this guy hasn't worked with zone blocking teams like the broncos or texans. Thats why I'm being a negative nancy.

So basically, in the year off, you think that MS only looked at two OL coaches, and/or that in the 2 weeks that he has been at work he didn't look at who else might be available that could coach the line the way he wants.

As for the 2nd point, it's not like Foerster was calling BINGO last week. He was an OL coach, looking at film and probably packing for the shrine bowl and senior bowl.

I don't know what style he brings, but if every other coach they brought in fits with what they intend to do, and any intelligent football guy knows that the OL has to be functioning for their offense to go, I think Shanahan understands what he wants in a line coach.

Could I be wrong, sure. In fact the SF website had a full thread bashing this guy-in addition to the one post quoted earlier, so he could be the next Stan Hixon, or the fans could be wrong and it could have been his players. I guess I am not going to get down on a guy who hasn't even unpacked his bags yet.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So basically, in the year off, you think that MS only looked at two OL coaches, and/or that in the 2 weeks that he has been at work he didn't look at who else might be available that could coach the line the way he wants.

As for the 2nd point, it's not like Foerster was calling BINGO last week. He was an OL coach, looking at film and probably packing for the shrine bowl and senior bowl.

I don't know what style he brings, but if every other coach they brought in fits with what they intend to do, and any intelligent football guy knows that the OL has to be functioning for their offense to go, I think Shanahan understands what he wants in a line coach.

Could I be wrong, sure. In fact the SF website had a full thread bashing this guy-in addition to the one post quoted earlier, so he could be the next Stan Hixon, or the fans could be wrong and it could have been his players. I guess I am not going to get down on a guy who hasn't even unpacked his bags yet.

Ya know it irritates the hell out of me and I don't know why when people say this but I can honestly say his lame BINGO calling ass did what the staff on the roster couldn't do in a season and a half. Pretty shitty when a BINGO caller is better then the "young talented genius" minds we supposedly had on the team already.

but I will agree his resume seems nice and hopefully Shanahan's system is also plug and play like the players positions.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Because our first two guys we wanted didn't accept the job, and we have very little to no time before scouting in the college games like the shrine game and senior bowl starts, and this guy hasn't worked with zone blocking teams like the broncos or texans. Thats why I'm being a negative nancy.

pretty much every team in the NFL uses zone blocking, just some more than others

bugel taught the zone as well.. I remember a few years ago our linemen saying that they loved it

The guy obviously had some knowledge going from the indy TE job to getting a coordinator job.. granted the phins didn't have a great team then.. it was also one in which the HC got the boot mid-season.. and it is going from TE coach to coordinator

the jury is still out but I'm not going to pretend to know his body of work and instantly think that he sucks

big whoop if the first 2 candidates didn't want to come here.. that happens all of the time.. that doesn't mean that there are only 2 good line coaches in the NFL.. i know that coaches and players are different but haven't we gotten upset when we just got the big name instead of the right fit? maybe he's a good fit, we'll have to see.. we don't even know who is going to be on our line at this point, silly to speculate heavily

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Any particular reason for this, or just the normal redskins cynicism? I tend to be optimistic this time of year, but I think that most, if not all, of these hires show reflective thought, and not just the throw up the hands and hire someone mentality. Looking at the production each individual coach has gotten from players during their tenure, it sure seems offensively that they all have a pretty good grasp on getting the most out of the players they have been responsible for.

I think the feeling comes because no one has heard of him before. I'm not a fan of Cable's issues and honestly don't know if his offensive lines were all that great. I too felt when A.Gibbs went to Seattle and rumor was Dennison was being interviewed by Houston, Uh oh, the two OL coaches Shanahan used to do great things are now not coming with him? and our issues were OL. WTF? No one heard of him nor anyone else interviewing for the positon and then all of a sudden on a Thursday.... "OL coaches position has been filled." Now were left wondering where the "F" did he came from?

Plus I like the write up on him but statistics are made to be twisted to look good. I'm glad we have Kyle Shanahan cause he had the #4 ranked "passing" offense. However his "rushing" offense was worse then ours this year, and we couldn't run the ball. We were ranked like 26th and they were ranked 28th I think. I feel safe knowing Mike Shanahan provides an awsome running scheme, and Kyle provides an awsome passing scheme.

I guess what I'm saying is I'm sure there was a nice flowery write up about Vinny Cerrato on Redskins.com. A nice beautiful write up about Zorn and many others. So I think we have to look into what the situation around him was. Plus I don't think I could work for San Frans HC. So the write up might be nice and exciting but I think we need to see why he was let go from the other teams.

[wolfeskins]

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I think we need to see why he was let go from the other teams.[/QUOTE]

was he let go?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I think the feeling comes because no one has heard of him before. .

I'd bet there are less than 5 posters on here that can name 5 or more O-Line coaches. I'd bet that most people here can't name 5 OCs.

Face it, if it wasn't the O-Line coach from the Colts, plenty of people would have something to say negatively; hell even if it was people would wonder why the guy left.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I'd bet there are less than 5 posters on here that can name 5 or more O-Line coaches. I'd bet that most people here can't name 5 OCs.

Face it, if it wasn't the O-Line coach from the Colts, plenty of people would have something to say negatively; hell even if it was people would wonder why the guy left.

True. Plus if its not "their" choice or first choice people present a lot of negativity. No I guess your right I couldn't name 3 OL coach's in this league (minus Buges), but no different then not all people are fan favorites of Haslett, or some of the defensive coaching positions, or Danny Smith, people are going to wonder why him? keep in mind there are always two sides to every story and although its a wonderful write up about the new OL coach I too wonder what negatives we will see from him? I hope he comes in and gets the OL working well together and this team performs well.

Perhaps it's nice to know what the negatives are. With M.Shanahan we know his running game was awsome but his passing game was good but not awsome. With K.Shanahan we know his passing offense is awsome but his running game was simply good. So hopefully between the two they can put together a team that has an excellent running and passing attack. But it will all center around who the OL coach is, how good of a coach he is, does he teach the scheme Shanahan needs to get this whole offensive scheme working or will there be issues with different philosophies?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I'd bet there are less than 5 posters on here that can name 5 or more O-Line coaches. I'd bet that most people here can't name 5 OCs.

Face it, if it wasn't the O-Line coach from the Colts, plenty of people would have something to say negatively; hell even if it was people would wonder why the guy left.

It's funny how people get locked on to certain people, probably just because of name value mainly. Meanwhile the people making these decisions are a hell of a lot more informed than we are, yet we seem to think we know best at times.

[53Fan]

I have seen nothing from the recent hires to make me less optimistic. Shanny said he was going after the best, and everyone so far seems to have nice creditials. Last year we had coaches in new positions which I think was a problem and didn't really instill a lot of confidence. I can't wait to see these guys in action. Coach 'em up!

[MTK]

The guy has a solid resume, simply based on his credentials seems like a move that's hard to hate on


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[Frost]

The Redskins have announced the hiring of Jacob Burney as the defensive-line coach and Bob Slowick as defensive-backs coach.

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